MontanaXVI

Or does anyone know anything in depth about the inner workings?

I own/HAD a 60gig launch system. Long story short, the dogs went #1 on the system yesterday and I put my fist into it in a fit of rage, very high quality build as no markings on the outside, however when taking it apart to clean up the urine (turns out none got inside anyway) it seems I had managed to buckle in the top of it enough to put quite a large dent in the blu-ray drive as well as the power supply and I am sure damaging some of the caps and or chips on the mobo in the process. I got the 60gig HDD out and it seems totally fine as far as physical looks go. I had to destroy the drive to get out my disk that was stuck in it (also the system was dead from the blow, I put it back together and it wouldn't even power up it just beeped a few times and died before I tore the drive open)

My question is, is there anyway at all I can save the data off the 60 and transfer it to the new 80 I just bought or all my game saves gone?

I posed this same question on the playstation.com boards but that place is just a cesspool of ignorance and immaturity.

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I don't know re: the PS3 specifically, but I would venture to guess no. Usually the console HDDs will have a proprietary filesystem. Otherwise they would be far too easy to hack. Good luck, though... I guess it might be possible somehow. Truly all that would NEED to occur for it to be possible would be for someone to make a Windows filesystem identifier for that OS on the disc and allow Windows to read it (like allowing an *nix system to read NTFS... it's kludgy, but it works).

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Someone actually did say to try and use an USB hdd enclosure, put the 60 in that and see if the system would recognize it allowing me to backup information off it onto the new 80 gig system, then just trash the 60 gig hdd.

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But I also heard before that the game saves and game data on the HDD is system specific to thwart copying of game data easily between systems with a usb drive, so I think it may not work period even if I was able to get the new system to "see" the external drive from the old system.

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Hmm, possibly. I know save data and profiles on a 360 are NOT system specific, but downloaded content DRM is specific to a system. The 360 HDD is just a special filesystem, so Windows/OSX/Linux can't read it by default. I don't think anyone has successfully allowed Windows to see the 360 fileystem yet, but if not I'm sure they're working on it. Probably for the PS3 as well.

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MontanaXVI

This may turn out to be interesting.

Couple people on the PS3 forums seem legit, and I think the question is too technical for the "tards" to troll on it, general consensus is my data is gone, however, a couple people are stating that if I use the drive on a 'nix system I would be able to copy it over from the 60hdd to the 80 and it would work.

Too bad I only run Windows systems.

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xepherys

well... you could prolly use a tool like dd to make a bit-exact copy of the drive, but I don't know that you could resize the partition back out to 80GB... so you'd possibly have an 80GB drive with only 60GB of space. But yeah, it might work. You could possibly hook it up to your windows box and just do a *nix boot CD with tools.

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Step 1: Use a Knoppix or Ubuntu live CD to boot Linux and copy your data
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

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MontanaXVI

Turns out the one guy who has replied a few times, really **seems** like he knows his stuff.

Says that with an external or USB enclosure the PS3 will only recognize FAT or FAT32, not it's internal file system so I wouldn't be able to pull the data off the drive that way. He also said that he has multiple 'nix distro's running and has not had any luck with PS3 data files on any of them the 'nix OS will not recognize the files and allow you to alter them.

Oh well, guess I just have MANY hours to spend on Burnout Paradise to get back to the Elite License, looks like I will be burning through Drake's Fortune again, not to mention the hours I will be putting in on my new copy of Metal Gear Solid 4 that came with the new system.

*note to self* Put system back in entertainment center while not playing, it cannot over heat in the enclosed space if it isn't running.

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DIGG much? hahahaha!


I had yet to see that on TFP.

Martian

That meme is popular all over the place. I think it originated with South Park, but I'm not sure. According to what I read it has something to do with gnomes who steal underwear.

You'll see it on Fark and Slashdot as well as Digg (which I don't actually use).

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this be true. I just digg alot, and see it there time and time again.

guthmund

What about this?

http://manuals.playstation.net/docum...uputility.html

If the 60GB drive is okay, why can't you install it in the new one, backup the data to an external drive (or whatever), reinstall the 80GB drive and then restore the backup? I've never done it myself, but from perusing a couple of PS3 specific forums, it seems like this is pretty common. The only problem I can see is with the initial installation of the 60GB drive to the new PS3...I don't know if the drives are set up to be swappable like that from one console to another.

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That was the original thought, but it seems from what I have heard from what I believe to be credible individuals that the data has some sort of DRM to keep it from being used on any console other than the one which originally wrote the data. Now mind you, my "credible sources" are those on the official PS forums who can actually type in complete sentences, don't use text messaging shorthand in every post, use a normal font and text color in their messages as well as not having 300 replies on the first page alone and none of them consist of anything other than the word lol.

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Montana16- PLS TRY GOTHMONDFS SUGGSTIONS B4 saying thay wont work. if u wont try stuff, y wood we keep hlping u?

At any rate, it might be a valid suggestion, but I know what you mean about the DRM. Again, my experience is with the 360, but the DRM on it can eat me just the same. MS, however, did just release a utility on their website that allows you to transfer your items DRM once per year. Perhaps Sony has something similar?

Also, it sounds like your main concern is saved games. These should not be DRM'd, as they are not licensed content. You should be able to backup and restore these items, at least, with no problem, as well as user profiles and the like. It'd be downloaded content from PSN or so that would likely have DRM.

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I could be wrong...but I really don't think so. I believe the DRM stuff only applies to copy protected movies and even then, I believe there's a Sony supported work around. Game content--assuming it's DRM'd, I believe can be transferred to up to five different PS3s as well without hassle as I recall. Like Xeph--I'm sorry, I meant Xeferriss's sez's dood roflcopter soi, soi, soi lololololololol!!!!--your game saves aren't copy protected at all as far as I know, so, moving them shouldn't be a big deal either.

I've been looking into this a bit--largely, spurred on by your post--as I plan to upgrade the hard drive in mine later on down the road and the only snag I've read about concerns the non-transferability--is that word?--of your personal account information. As I understand it though that just means you'll have to enter log-in information to the Playstation store and such.

Like I said, the only snag I can see is with the initial installation of the 60GB into the new system, but, even with that said, I still think you'll be okay.

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I haven't had a chance to get to any of this yet, hope to do it this weekend or next

Work schedule changed so sleep shift adjusting is in order.

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Just an update, I took out the 80 gig and put the 60 in, upon booting up the PS3 tells me that the HDD has to be formatted before I am able to use it and asks me if I want to format now. When I hit no I then get a message telling me unable to start, wrong disk inserted or something along those lines. There is no way to copy anything off the 60 by inserting it in the system in place of the 80. So I guess that leaves me getting an SATA to USB enclosure and trying to read the data off it as an external drive, which one of the PS Forum members already said won't work.

If that doesn't then I guess I just wipe it and have an external 60 gig for storage etc.

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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of...

Read it as an external drive with your PS3 or with a regular PC? Maybe you could hook it up to a PC and use a recovery program to snatch some of the data proper off it. That's a bit of work just for some game saves, but the data is there....there has to be a way to get it off, eh?

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I don't think it is an issue with an upgrade on the HDD because it is still the same system that wrote the data. Regardless of the data being just a game save and not covered under copyright, I think this is all just a DRM issue. So whoever it was above worrying about upgrading and with the number of people who have already done it I wouldn't get worried about it.

The data is written by one system, so therefore cannot be read or written by another system, unless you are just upgrading the HDD and merely copying it from one place within the same system to another place, ie. the bigger HDD.

Someone had made mention on the PS Forums about the PS3 not being able to recognize the file system of a drive previously used internally once you try to use it as an external drive so I am thinking this will just be a wipe and use the drive for storage.

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Another update on this kinda.

I was just messing around on Gamefaqs.com and seen some game saves for Drake's Fortune so I grabbed one, and lo and behold it works, so I now have Uncharted beaten again, so no loss on that one, however, for Burnout Paradise this seems to be one of the DRM game saves, meaning it is linked to either your system itself or your PSN with no way to change it that I know of so any save you download for this game won't work for you.

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