G5_Todd

i have heard its good from family then saw it got crappy reviews..........


but i hate the punked kid so ill pass till its on HBO.....

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cameroncrazy822

I actually was pleasantly surprised by his acting ability. To that point I had only seen the 70's show and punked. Neither of which is a showcase for his acting talents. He did a good job.

Key

my friends rented the dvd and we watched the director's cut. definitely an awesome movie, although my experience might be different having watched a slightly different version.

if you watch both you can easily see where they "hollwoodized" it for the general audiance. not too many people would have liked the original ending.

if you think ashton sucks for the role, i hear they were planning on giving it to Stiffler !

they offered Ashton the role of being the new Superman but he refused. then again, i guess that's not saying a whole lot considering their other casting choices ...

-=shikamaru=-

Just saw this movie, heres my take:

Acting: Not as bad as some of you are making it out to be. I thought it wasn't that bad, but maybe it could've been better. Kutcher exceeded my expectations; a good thing, even if the expectations were small.

Script: Some of the dialougue could've been better. I loved the story and the script though. The ending was great (and depressing), the way things turn out after his choices were really neat, and the whole thing made sense to me.

Overall: I enjoyed it a lot. I think I could watch the other version, but then I might notice some of the flaws and plot holes. Still, I didn't really notice them the first time, I definately reccommend it for a Saturday night at home.

I don't know which version I saw, but I'll explain the ending and one of you can clear this out for me

Spoiler: In the ending I saw, Kutcher goes back to the moment he was being born and chokes himself, making himself another stillbirth. As a result, everyone else lives happy normal lives.

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jwoody

Purely for the purpose of giving some balance to this thread, I've got to say I thought this was the worst film I've ever endured. The whole thing reminded of the South Park scene where Timmy sends his pet turkey, Gobbles, away then all kinds of sad stuff follows. Just when you think things can't get any worse they do, over and over again for what seems like an eternity.

Definitely not my idea of entertainment.

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Hey, kinda like Meet the Parents!

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braindamage351

I don't care enough about this movie to ever see it...

Antikarma

I dunno, think what you will of the movie, but Ashton's acting in my mind did well better than I ever ecpected it to.


/flame war on

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Sargeman

I rented it and saw it and thought it was very very good!! And I can't stand Kutcher!

I saw the directors cut and honestly could not predict how it ended although there was a hint in the story at some point and time.

I definitely give it two thumbs up.

I think I'll go watch it again only this time the theatrical release.

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Key

shikamaru - that was the director's cut you saw. there's a few other versions.

in the theatrical release:
Spoiler: it cuts out the scene where the fortune teller says he has no lifeline, it cuts out the dialogue where his mom reveals she had 2-3 stillbirths before him (letting us know later on that all his siblings resorted to the same method of escaping the horrid loop). in the end, instead of the video of his birth, it shows the first time they met at a party. he threatens her and scares her away, thus making her end up with her mom.


there's a couple of endings:
Spoiler:
one ending has him seeing her on the street outside on a busy sidewalk. from there, they both walk away in opposite directions. in another version, he turns around and walks after her. in a final version, he walks after her, and actually says hi, asks her out, and she accepts.


so all in all, including the director's cut and the theatrical, there's 4 different endings. personally i like the director's cut the most, you can tell why they would hollywoodize it for the general audiance though.

-=shikamaru=-

thanks Key

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Nancy

Did any of you know that there were 3 endings in this movie because I sure didn't! I had a friend over last week and he asked which ending I had seen. He explained that the first time he saw it he saw one ending but when he rented it on DVD it featured another?!

Apparently there are three endings: Spoiler: The one where he tells Kayley that he'll kill her parents if she doesn't keep away from him end thus ending up alone, the one where they get married and the one where he decides to travel back into his fetus body inside his mother's vomb and commit suicide by becoming a stillborn

I have no idea wether or not the DVD contains all 3 endings or not but I'd like to find out so I could see the ending nr. 2

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hehe seriously people - I kid you not!

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Confederate

The best ending by far was when they were walking past eachother on the sidewalk and miss eachothers glances. The other endings suck noodles compared to that one.

alpha

I liked this movie a lot. Very original and interesting plot, and Kutcher's acting is ok too.

Didn't know about the other endings, I liked the one I saw (where he ends up alone and they walk past each other). The 3rd ending Nancy mentioned sounds just... weird.

Xiangsu

I love the song that played at the end it was called Stop Crying Your Heart Out from Oasis. I thought it fit really well and the movie was great IMHO.

-Ever-

I just saw this movie without any biases or expectations (except knowing that a few of my friends liked it).

I must say that the first 1/3 of the movie was almost unbareable to watch. The acting was horrendous and I 'realized' that the movie was made for young teenagers as everything was ultra-dramatic and such. I found a hole in the story line about every five minutes (and I wasn't trying to!).

After this fist 1/3 of the movie passed, it finally picked up. I feel that there are still some major holes in the story, however it was plenty entertaining from there on out. I still feel that some parts were ultra-dramatic, but I enjoyed it by the end.

-T

Here's a short list of some of the holes/oddities that I can remember:
Spoiler:
-His notebooks and page markers were the exact same kind throughout his entire childhood? Did he just happen to buy the same pen, notebook, and sticky tags every year of his life? Also, they weren't beat up or anything. They just looked way too prop-ish for a major item in the movie.

-Wouldn't Tommy have been at the sister's funeral when she commited suicide? Kutcher was there in an ultra-dramatic, borderline cheesy scene and this was at the height of when Tommy would have been mad at him. Where was he?

-Why in the world did the kid stab Tommy and blame it on Kutcher when he simply told him to just cut the rope with the metal shard?

-Since when can a kid beat up a teenager, like when Tommy does at the movie theater?

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Confederate

I believe he was, shown shortly, and he doesn't say anything.
I'm pretty sure he didn't tell him to cut the rope, he just said something along the lines of "You'll know what to do with this."

-Ever-

I just viewed the movie last night, and he repedetly said "cut the cord with this," or something along those lines, because later on the kid would have said "I don't have anything to cut the cord with!" as Kutcher's memory told us.

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Confederate

having just watched the scene again, he does tell the kid to cut the rope, but it's small compared to what all he says about the kid making up for what happenned earlier, and now it's his day of atonement. So we are both right, he did tell the kid to cut the rope, but he made more of an emphasis on making up for the mailbox accident and the whole atonement part. So it easily concievable that the fat kid took it to mean to get back at the problem child.

Porkchop

I enjoyed it some critics havent a clue. similar to D Darko although not a patch on it was still quite good. Kutchner wasnt to bad imo.

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Key

Spoiler:

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Spoiler: -His notebooks and page markers were the exact same kind throughout his entire childhood? Did he just happen to buy the same pen, notebook, and sticky tags every year of his life? Also, they weren't beat up or anything. They just looked way too prop-ish for a major item in the movie.

ehh, they looked pretty ratty to me, but I don't have a clear memory of them right now. Regardless, prop-quality isn't something that really bugs me. To me, that's just nit-picking. If you read the goofs for movies you'll know what I mean. Like in Donnie Darko, it shows an Old Spice bottle which packaging made in the 90s (when the movie takes place in 1988). Or a newer blockbuster card than was available at the time. I can't see this as a plothole or something that really effects the movie. But I digress.

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Spoiler: -Wouldn't Tommy have been at the sister's funeral when she commited suicide? Kutcher was there in an ultra-dramatic, borderline cheesy scene and this was at the height of when Tommy would have been mad at him. Where was he?

The way I recall this scene, Evan shows up to the funeral, but sees Tommy there with the dad, very much distraught about the death of his sister. Rather than further screw up the situation and face a confrontation with Tommy, he leaves the funeral before anyone sees him.

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Spoiler: -Why in the world did the kid stab Tommy and blame it on Kutcher when he simply told him to just cut the rope with the metal shard?

It wasn't a mistake so much... He knew Evan wanted him to cut the rope, but after Evan had pumped him up SOOO much, he decided to REALLY get even, and stab Tommy instead. When he blamed Evan, he blamed him because Evan was the one that put him in such a f**ked up situation. He handed him the shard, he psyched him up, and let him loose under unstable mental conditions.

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Spoiler: -Since when can a kid beat up a teenager, like when Tommy does at the movie theater?

This kind of bugged me. But when I think about it, I could see it happening. Tommy was freaking psycho, and raged. He was obviously a fucked up little kid. Most people are more well-adjusted and wouldn't go BALLISITC on a stranger like Tommy did. You and I and everyone else would think twice about going balls out on a complete stranger, Tommy wouldn't. Lil bastard would have killed him without a second thought, that's how messed up his mentality was.

Anyway, that's just my two cents on it.

Mr.Deflok

I was genuinely surprised at how good this film was, I never saw it at the cinima's so didn't get to see it with the awful "HAPPY SAPPY" endings. The one where he Spoiler: dies stillborn is fantastic.

Did anyone else notice that the Journals Kutcher writes in are the same as the one John Doe writes in in Se7en? Not to mention they actually watch that film during the movie.

Ashton is the posterboy for the MTV Generation, I'm glad he took such a different role and pulled it off well enough.

-Ever-

I can't find the deleted scenes (IE the alternate endings) on the DVD. Do I have to use my computer to view them? I tried this after my TV and couldn't find anything.

-T

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Mr.Deflok

Go to the deleted scenes and skip until the last 2, there're your Alternate Endings.

-Ever-

I don't even see a selection for "deleted scenes". I've got a 2-sided disk, one the Theatrical Cut, the other side being the Director's Cut. Each seems to have it's own menu.

Hmm, I'll do some more looking.
-T

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Key

Both SE7EN and Butteryfly Effect were released by New Line Cinema according to IMDB.

Some more trivia I pulled from there: Kutcher's character was actually going to be named Chris Treborn, a spin on Christ Reburn (move the T over one space). Instead, it's now Evan Treborn, as in Event Reborn. Cool move, I thought.