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kramus · 04-24-2005, 12:42 PM

I was thinking about posting this drawing I did last year, and figured sure, go ahead - just do it. Without having a server to link to I have to go with bits and piece. Hope it comes across ok - let me know what you think, eh?

I'll do two posts to try and get some detail shown. The elements are those spirals out from the centre - going widdershins, or counter clockwise, from the top they are earth, air, fire and water. Each quadrant carries some elements of our essential place in the universe we create.

btw I had it laminated to a backer card at work and the *%# operator didn't put a protective sheet on it. When it went through the rollers the graphite got sucked right out of the paper and onto the rollers. 100 hours of work undone. I redrew over it, but it's now like a friend who's suffered an injury or illness, and will never be the same

edit: The writeup I included as a pdf attachment has come across as a link - if you have acrobat reader (it's a free download from their site) you can open the page with a click. I didn't know it would act this way, you learn something new everyday, eh?

Centre - 11" x 14"

kramus · 04-24-2005, 12:48 PM

these are the detail bits

upper right is the life force that is based on the water and the earth and the plants that draw the two together with the energies of the sun

lower right is the powers of love and nurturing. We have to be aware that the cycles of life are where we exist when we relate to each other.

lower left is wisdom and knowledge, and the building of one thing on another.

upper left is madness and magic and the wild spirit that infuses us with free will

cellophanedeity · 04-24-2005, 07:27 PM

This is awesome!

I love the detail, and the little pictures in the border. Oh man! I envy your talent. It's beautiful. I'm sorry the silly laminator guy futzed it up. I still love it.

amonkie · 04-24-2005, 09:45 PM

This is such an awesome concept kramus - I've seriously spent a half hour studying this picture. I really enjoy seeing your work

kramus · 04-24-2005, 09:59 PM

Thankyou for the looksee and the comments cello and amonkie

The time you spent looking at the work is a special part of the sharing that I try to create with my art. Glad you like it.

dobster · 04-26-2005, 10:10 AM

This is just absolutely stunning, Kramus. That attic seems like it might a cra-azy place to be!

kramus · 05-01-2005, 10:29 AM

no dobster, the fact is that I am crazy in the attic, so to speak

Supple Cow · 05-01-2005, 10:32 AM

I could look at that for hours. Nice work, nice message.

K-Wise · 05-01-2005, 02:31 PM

I thought for sure I'd commented on this one. I have to say again the intricasy of your work is mind boggling. Such attention to detail and so much skill. How many man hours does it take you to complete a piece of this calibur?

Asta!!

abaya · 05-01-2005, 03:13 PM

Wow, this is great! Thanks for sharing. I wish I had the time/energy/creativity to engage in something so detailed... I can see you are really enjoying your "attic" and the time to yourself these days.

kramus · 05-01-2005, 08:16 PM

gee, thanks guys

I did put a fair bit into it, and in trying to make clear at least to myself what I was trying to put together here. My attic has lots of stuff in it and I need to be spending more time drawing it out, so to speak

This one K-wise, actual pencil on paper time, is probably near abouts 150 hours for the 11" x 14" drawing. The funny thing is that once you get about 60-70 hours into it the time I spent just looking at it - figureing out what's best to do often lasts longer than the time spent actually working. I rotated the drawing, and held it up to mirrors, and drew upside down. It took me about 3 months to do the work in total. Plus the time spent writing and in thought while pulling together the writeup. I'll be revisiting lots of my writeups for different drawings I've done as a result of my TFP time - I'll reword stuff a bit eh?

K-Wise · 05-01-2005, 09:08 PM

^ I figured it'd be about that much. I know what it's like to actually stare at a drawing lol. Cept mine aren't of the same quality. Not to be argued it's just a simple fact lol. Some people are just better than others. Rewording is all you buddy haha.

Asta!!

FngKestrel · 05-02-2005, 12:40 AM

Absolutely awesome Kramus. I can feel the work that went into it.

tecoyah · 05-02-2005, 04:40 AM

I can see the self....in this work. I too spent some time looking at the details, and felt I was reading a book.....excellent work kramus.

ngdawg · 05-02-2005, 08:18 PM

Beautiful. I am humbled and awed by your talent, attention to fine detail and imagination. Not to mention patience!

kramus · 05-03-2005, 02:29 AM

gee guys

Thanks

Actually ng, a lot of the time spent is because I'm trying to figure out how to draw - I don't seem to have the knack of just laying something down effectively in one quick go. But then again, the work/time spent was genuine as opposed to just a long and tedious exercise so I really do appreciate what you folks are saying.

Nancy · 05-09-2005, 11:11 PM

kramus, kramus, kramus.. I bow before you heheh. This is nothing less than spectacular!

Now... how much is 11" x 14"?

exile2k4 · 05-10-2005, 02:15 AM

27.94cm x 35.56cm

kramus · 05-10-2005, 07:50 PM

exile2k4 tells you what my converter tells me what the thing is in centimeters Nancy. I take it you like it

Fly · 05-15-2005, 08:36 AM

that is some wicked detail man..........awesome job.

*searches for kramus' threads*

kramus · 05-16-2005, 07:36 PM

thanks flyman

kramus · 09-04-2007, 06:14 PM

I'm going to bump all my art threads - attachments uploaded to TFP are going to be deleted as per http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=123398, and I would like to put this stuff out there one last time

04-24-2005, 12:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	sort of a self portrait sort of I was thinking about posting this drawing I did last year, and figured sure, go ahead - just do it. Without having a server to link to I have to go with bits and piece. Hope it comes across ok - let me know what you think, eh? I'll do two posts to try and get some detail shown. The elements are those spirals out from the centre - going widdershins, or counter clockwise, from the top they are earth, air, fire and water. Each quadrant carries some elements of our essential place in the universe we create. btw I had it laminated to a backer card at work and the %# operator didn't put a protective sheet on it. When it went through the rollers the graphite got sucked right out of the paper and onto the rollers. 100 hours of work undone. I redrew over it, but it's now like a friend who's suffered an injury or illness, and will never be the same edit: The writeup I included as a pdf attachment has come across as a link - if you have acrobat reader (it's a free download from their site) you can open the page with a click. I didn't know it would act this way, you learn something new everyday, eh? Centre - 11" x 14" __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca Last edited by kramus; 04-24-2005 at 09:56 PM..*

04-24-2005, 12:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	these are the detail bits upper right is the life force that is based on the water and the earth and the plants that draw the two together with the energies of the sun lower right is the powers of love and nurturing. We have to be aware that the cycles of life are where we exist when we relate to each other. lower left is wisdom and knowledge, and the building of one thing on another. upper left is madness and magic and the wild spirit that infuses us with free will __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

04-24-2005, 07:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
cellophanedeity Heliotrope Location: A warm room	This is awesome! I love the detail, and the little pictures in the border. Oh man! I envy your talent. It's beautiful. I'm sorry the silly laminator guy futzed it up. I still love it. __________________ who am I to refuse the universe? -Leonard Cohen, Beautiful Losers

04-24-2005, 09:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
amonkie Drifting Administrator Location: Windy City	This is such an awesome concept kramus - I've seriously spent a half hour studying this picture. I really enjoy seeing your work __________________ Calling from deep in the heart, from where the eyes can't see and the ears can't hear, from where the mountain trails end and only love can go... ~~~ Three Rivers Hare Krishna

04-24-2005, 09:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	Thankyou for the looksee and the comments cello and amonkie The time you spent looking at the work is a special part of the sharing that I try to create with my art. Glad you like it. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

04-26-2005, 10:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
dobster Insane Location: South London, UK	This is just absolutely stunning, Kramus. That attic seems like it might a cra-azy place to be! __________________ sig-na-ture 1. One's name as written by oneself. 2. The act of signing one's name. 3. A distinctive mark, characteristic, or sound indicating identity.

05-01-2005, 10:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	no dobster, the fact is that I am crazy in the attic, so to speak __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-01-2005, 10:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
Supple Cow Americow, the Beautiful Location: Washington, D.C.	I could look at that for hours. Nice work, nice message. __________________ "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed." (Michael Jordan)

05-01-2005, 02:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	I thought for sure I'd commented on this one. I have to say again the intricasy of your work is mind boggling. Such attention to detail and so much skill. How many man hours does it take you to complete a piece of this calibur? Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

05-01-2005, 03:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	Wow, this is great! Thanks for sharing. I wish I had the time/energy/creativity to engage in something so detailed... I can see you are really enjoying your "attic" and the time to yourself these days. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

05-01-2005, 08:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	gee, thanks guys I did put a fair bit into it, and in trying to make clear at least to myself what I was trying to put together here. My attic has lots of stuff in it and I need to be spending more time drawing it out, so to speak This one K-wise, actual pencil on paper time, is probably near abouts 150 hours for the 11" x 14" drawing. The funny thing is that once you get about 60-70 hours into it the time I spent just looking at it - figureing out what's best to do often lasts longer than the time spent actually working. I rotated the drawing, and held it up to mirrors, and drew upside down. It took me about 3 months to do the work in total. Plus the time spent writing and in thought while pulling together the writeup. I'll be revisiting lots of my writeups for different drawings I've done as a result of my TFP time - I'll reword stuff a bit eh? __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-01-2005, 09:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
K-Wise It's All About The Ass!! Location: In a pool of mayonnaise!!	^ I figured it'd be about that much. I know what it's like to actually stare at a drawing lol. Cept mine aren't of the same quality. Not to be argued it's just a simple fact lol. Some people are just better than others. Rewording is all you buddy haha. Asta!! __________________ "I love music and it's my parents fault (closing statement)." - Me..quoting myself...from when I said that...On TFP..thats here...Tilted Forum Project *It ain't goodbye, it's see ya later! I'll miss you guys!* - Asta!!

05-02-2005, 12:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
FngKestrel Junkie	Absolutely awesome Kramus. I can feel the work that went into it.

05-02-2005, 04:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	I can see the self....in this work. I too spent some time looking at the details, and felt I was reading a book.....excellent work kramus. __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha

05-02-2005, 08:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
ngdawg peekaboo Location: on the back, bitch	Beautiful. I am humbled and awed by your talent, attention to fine detail and imagination. Not to mention patience! __________________ Don't blame me. I didn't vote for either of'em.

05-10-2005, 02:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
exile2k4 Upright	27.94cm x 35.56cm

05-03-2005, 02:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	gee guys Thanks Actually ng, a lot of the time spent is because I'm trying to figure out how to draw - I don't seem to have the knack of just laying something down effectively in one quick go. But then again, the work/time spent was genuine as opposed to just a long and tedious exercise so I really do appreciate what you folks are saying. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-09-2005, 11:11 PM	#17 (permalink)
Nancy Femme Fatale Location: Elysium	kramus, kramus, kramus.. I bow before you heheh. This is nothing less than spectacular! Now... how much is 11" x 14"? __________________ I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me and I don't know why. My nightly bloodlust has overflown into my days. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.

05-10-2005, 07:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	exile2k4 tells you what my converter tells me what the thing is in centimeters Nancy. I take it you like it __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

05-15-2005, 08:36 AM	#20 (permalink)
Fly see the links to my music? Location: Beautiful British Columbia	that is some wicked detail man..........awesome job. searches for kramus' threads __________________ BASTARD SterlingStudios

05-16-2005, 07:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	thanks flyman __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

09-04-2007, 06:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	I'm going to bump all my art threads - attachments uploaded to TFP are going to be deleted as per http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=123398, and I would like to put this stuff out there one last time __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca