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TNJ4555 11-19-2004 03:04 PM

New found fun in the Red States
 
Saw this posted on a fishing board I frequent.
I thought fishing was a way to a, um, relax?

FISHERMEN'S DISPUTE LEADS TO 'RIVER RAGE' FACEOFF

By Brett Prettyman
The Salt Lake Tribune

Law enforcement officials wanted to see more than a fishing license when an angler floating the Green River below Flaming Gorge dam came off the water Saturday.

Officers from the Daggett County Sheriff's Office and the Division of Wildlife Resources responded to a call over the weekend about a "river rage" incident between an angler in a boat and one wading in the Green just below the dam. The conflict peaked when the angler on the boat allegedly drew a handgun from a bag.

"We get calls about conflicts on the river from time to time, but we have not had a weapons problem. We would not expect a person to have a gun on the river, and to brandish it during an argument is certainly a step up from that," said Daggett County sheriff's Lt. Rick Harrison.

About 9 a.m. Saturday, an angler fishing atop a rock became upset when a boat came near his perch and between him and the river bank. The angler fired a warning cast over the bow of the dory to show his displeasure.

"One of the fellows on the boat broke the line. [The man on the rock] wasn't happy about that, so he waded out to the boat and stopped it," Harrison said.

A heated discussion followed and eventually the angler on the front of the boat asked the man rowing the dory to pull the gun out from a bag.

"He said he felt threatened and that he needed to get it out and show it to the guy holding the boat," Harrison said.

The bank angler and his partner were interviewed shortly after the encounter and said the weapon was pointed in their direction. Harrison said the angler in the dory was cooperative and walked up to them when the boat came to rest at the Little Hole takeout three hours later.

"He said, 'I imagine you fellows want to talk to me,' ” Harrison said.

The man had a concealed weapons permit and said the gun was never loaded and never pointed at the angler holding the boat.

Harrison said the report will be turned over to the county attorney for possible charges of showing a weapon during a fight or a quarrel, a Class A misdemeanor.



Thank god for the right to bear arms

MacGuyver 11-19-2004 03:36 PM

*shakes head* No kidding... Soooo yeah, Canada is looking pretty good right about now for a new school Democrat from the northeast, like me.

joeshoe 11-19-2004 04:14 PM

How does this relate to the "red states"? Besides happening in a moderately "red" state, it doesn't say anything about those state as a whole.

denim 11-19-2004 04:29 PM

I don't see the problem, except he shouldn't maybe have drawn it. We don't know what was said.

matteo101 11-19-2004 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeshoe
How does this relate to the "red states"? Besides happening in a moderately "red" state, it doesn't say anything about those state as a whole.

"moderately red state"? Utah voted 71 percent republican....thats the most dense bush voting in the country.

Aladdin Sane 11-19-2004 05:42 PM

If you blue state folks wanna play this game, I'm ready. Finding articles about dumbasses doing dumbass things in California and New York will be like finding hookers in Amsterdam.

Harshaw 11-19-2004 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane
If you blue state folks wanna play this game, I'm ready. Finding articles about dumbasses doing dumbass things in California and New York will be like finding hookers in Amsterdam.

I have to agree (as a Blue state denizen).
Bush won, I don't think we should have put him in there; But I'm unclear how this is helping. All this article shows is stupid people are... stupid. The article doesn't say the gun owner was a republican, and blaming this on red state behavior is a silly as calling all blue state occupants hippies.

matteo101 11-19-2004 05:57 PM

It's true, the title of this thread is totally irrelivent. BTW leave amsterdam out of it :p

mystmarimatt 11-22-2004 12:27 AM

'Flaming Gorge dam'?

Hahahaha...it's so close to sexual innuendo, you can almost feel it.

MSD 11-22-2004 05:35 AM

I wouldn't take a gun along while fishing, because fishing isn't complete without beer, and beer and guns don't go together, unless you've lined up your empties on a fence and are plinking them a few hours later.

Regardless of my feelings, tha angler approached the boat, a heated argument ensued, and if the occupants of the boat felt threatened enough to show that they were armed in an attempt to deter the angry guy from doing anything more than arguing, then they had every right to do so and may have prevented further violence and confrontation by showing how unwise it would be to escalate the situation. Remember what they say, "an armed society is a polite society."

Ustwo 11-22-2004 06:56 AM

Ummmmm ok.......

And no one was hurt, and everything seemed to have worked out and been in order.

flstf 11-22-2004 07:11 AM

I used to live in a blue state (Seattle, Washington) until about a year ago. It seemed like there was a road rage report with brandishing a gun about once a week. I'll take my chances on the river, LOL.

xxSquirtxx 11-22-2004 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacGuyver
*shakes head* No kidding... Soooo yeah, Canada is looking pretty good right about now for a new school Democrat from the northeast, like me.

I'll donate. Do you take Paypal?

Averett 11-22-2004 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aladdin Sane
If you blue state folks wanna play this game, I'm ready. Finding articles about dumbasses doing dumbass things in California and New York will be like finding hookers in Amsterdam.

You'll probably be able to find stories about hookers in Amsterdam, NY. How's that?

:lol:

Very poorly named thread...

bermuDa 11-22-2004 08:33 AM

this story has nothing to do with politics, there's no reason to drag them into this thread.

Although it's always dangerous to brandish a weapon loaded or not, i think this situation was handled better than it could have been.

warrrreagl 11-22-2004 08:36 AM

...and I suppose Rosa Parks is to blame for the Pacers-Pistons brawl...

timalkin 11-22-2004 03:36 PM

Do you care to post a link to this story? Or is this simply a lame attempt at trolling?

clavus 11-22-2004 03:40 PM

Yo. California here. I have personally been in a fishing-related dispute on the Sacramento River where two (2) people brandished firearms. (For the record, I did not draw a gun)

Cut the red/blue crap.

MSD 11-22-2004 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timalkin
Do you care to post a link to this story? Or is this simply a lame attempt at trolling?

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2454110

Boo 11-22-2004 07:08 PM

How can a post that is this flameworthy exist?

splck 11-22-2004 07:22 PM

Packing a hand gun while fishing?...scary shit.

timalkin 11-22-2004 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splck
Packing a hand gun while fishing?...scary shit.

What's scary is that somebody will now try to limit MY ability to carry a handgun while fishing, and I didn't even do anything wrong!

Thanks for the link, by the way.

smooth 11-23-2004 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clavus
Yo. California here. I have personally been in a fishing-related dispute on the Sacramento River where two (2) people brandished firearms. (For the record, I did not draw a gun)

Cut the red/blue crap.

lol, So Cal here.

Are you trying to say Sac and eastward isn't red? ;)

guthmund 11-23-2004 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splck
Packing a hand gun while fishing?...scary shit.


Some times you have to show those fucking deer you mean business. Your on their turf, you know and hey, they travel in "herds," if you catch my meaning.


I don't give a flying rat shit that he was carrying a handgun on the river. I don't even really care that he brandished because he felt threatened. What worries the snot out of me is that parading the gun out seemed to be the first logical step to solve the dispute. One cut line and one held boat....BAM out comes the piece.

I don't know...maybe it's late.

All the real fisherman were waiting downstream for all the fish these two shitheads were scaring their direction. :p

Irishsean 11-23-2004 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splck
Packing a hand gun while fishing?...scary shit.

I live in utah, and I pack a handgun whenever I go out hiking or 4-wheeling. I'd take one if I went fishing too. In the last 5 years, I've shot 4 rabid coyotes, and a ton of rattlesnakes. I don't drink when I go out, and with some of the areas we go into, it makes you feel a lot safer. This summer I shot a 9 foot diamondback that was as thick as my arm right after it had bitten my little brother.

splck 11-23-2004 04:46 PM

I've been fishing for over 30 years and never once has a rabid coyote or a rattlesnake tried to get me while in my boat.;)
I don't see the need to kill rattlesnakes, but if you do, that's your business. I'm curious how a 9 foot snake managed to bite your brother. I've had several encounters with rattlesnakes over the years and none ended with a bite. All I did was back up when I heard his rattle. It was a bit freaky, but I never felt the need to kill the snake.


Quote:

What worries the snot out of me is that parading the gun out seemed to be the first logical step to solve the dispute. One cut line and one held boat....BAM out comes the piece.
No shit..
Some of the rivers out here can be crowded and sometimes tempers do flare, but the thought of bringing a gun into the equation is plain scary to me.

Quote:

What's scary is that somebody will now try to limit MY ability to carry a handgun while fishing, and I didn't even do anything wrong!
Thankfully, besides being unnecessary, carrying handguns is not legal here.

KinkyKiwi 11-23-2004 05:43 PM

oh wow sean is your brother okay?? umm n yea why did you shoot the poor thing??

anyway..yea..absurd name for the thread...

kel 11-23-2004 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harshaw
is a silly as calling all blue state occupants hippies.

You have made me realize I am a bad bad man.

But still... damn hippies :crazy:

onewolf 11-23-2004 07:09 PM

Is Wisconsin a red state? I see in today's news that some guy bagged himself 6 bigguns from a deer stand. In case the whole hunting-incident-gone-awry incident itself isn't red-stateish enough, it sounds now like maybe there was some racist overtones of some sort involved.... Hoo-boy!

For the record, I do live in the red state of North Carolina.

kel 11-23-2004 07:17 PM

I R A DUM REDNECK
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Averett
You'll probably be able to find stories about hookers in Amsterdam, NY. How's that?

:lol:

Very poorly named thread...

Averett,
Because we know that Washington DC and New York don't have the highest crime rate of most any city in the US. If you aren't picking up on the sarcasm they do.

Washington DC has more violent crime involving firearms then almost every city in the nation of similar population density. That is to say it has more crime then most every city period. Heck of alot more then we have in Seattle, a Shall Issue state where every citizen has the right to carry a firearm on their person. Interestingly enough, Washington DC is also a city that bans handguns.

What we should be learning from this is that handguns and "assault weapons" are not the problem. Taking them away won't fix anything. Don't believe me? Look at Britain. Crime of all kinds in Britain are out of control. It's so bad that they have to outlaw "assault knives." People under the age of 18 will not be allowed to buy knives of any kind under a new proposed law. (Doesn't affect all of Britain, only areas where knifing is a problem, think 7500 incidents a year)

And the sad thing is that you won't read what I have to say, you won't check the statistics published by the FBI, CDC, NIH, or any of the tens of other acronyms that can all tell you the same story.

The problem is a social and economic one. Gun control treats the symptoms but not the underlying disorder. Think Clinical Medicine vs. Homeopathic treatment. Treat the disease not the symptom. Taking away one tool is like treating a fever with a fever reducer. It lowers the fever for a time or not at all and doesn't stop the virus from eating away at your body. I can't beat that analogy to death it so fundamental to understanding the problem and working on a solution.

Look at what has been accomplished with sex education. Sex is a far more basic desire that everyone experiences. The teenage pregnancy rate is at an all time low due to the greater availibility of sex education and birth control. It hasn't reached some segments of the population (we all know who they are) but we can hope to do better with more research into why certain people aren't being reached.

I agree with Guthmund, the problem here is not the firearm nor the fact that he had it with him while fishing. It's obvious that person has not had the training necessary to form a proper mindset for concealed carry. Carrying an unloaded firearm off his person and not in his direct control? Concealed carry should require regular training, bi-yearly at least with a minimum of 6-8 hours of class time. And for christs sake make it federal law! That would go a long way towards resolving many of these incidents before they arise.


DANG IT... and here I am looking like an idiot with on stats or documentation links... I will repost in this thread at some point to various reports on what really goes on in this country.


Okay last edit I swear!!

Here it is, no whing about the guys extreme views and tin foil hat. His numbers crunch which is all that counts.
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html

And another unrelated piece I just found that was interesting
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000834.html

Don't despair, more facts are coming to compare cities across america. Specifically I want to look at murder rates on one axis and gun ownership on the other. Not an easy thing to write up.

Lebell 11-23-2004 09:27 PM

One guy holds a boat up, another gets a gun out JIC, no shots are fired.

I guess I don't see the big deal.


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