stevie667

MDMA will NOT be mixed with LSD, it's just not done for various chemical and financial reasons.

E is a stimulant in itself, but i like to class the effects like this:

1-3 pills - great for clubbing, fills you with energy, makes you in tune with music, still have control of your mind

4-5 pills - the 'buzz' decreases somewhat, you prefer to flex and fidget rather than dance. You start to hullucinate, but still have control over your mind

6-8 pills - there is very little buzz, you'll see some funky shit and your mind will take three steps left and one step backward (you'll understand when you take that many). Best to have a mate around to help you out.

9+ pills - bye bye sanity. prepare for some absoloutly spankingly fun trips out of body and mind. If you take alot regulary you can often influence what you hullucinate, and how your body feels (i myself have made the world turn into matrix code on numerous occasions). You MUST have someone around with you, because your likely to wander off down the road stroking a bunny, which later turned out to be a large bus.

In all the amount of pills, the more pot you smoke, the more shit you'll see.

As for gum, it is a must, i don't care what people say about lollys, you just can't be arsed with them after awhile. Gum you can keep chewing, and if it gets flavourless and generally messed up, you can get another peice.

CrispnChuey

Pinkie, I don't think your description of E is inconsistent with everything that's been said here... The seratonin rush makes you feel happy and loving. Your environment will affect how you express that, doing E at a rave is completey different than doing it at home, for example. E used to be so novel that I thought it was great anywhere, but later I would only do it under circumstances that I knew would enhance the experience, because it's such a significant factor.

I do agree that it's often 'enhanced' with crank/crystal meth which is what really makes people clench their teeth a lot and be up for 24 hrs or so. Probably not opiates though, because they're expensive... DXM is apparently popular because it's cheap and legal and will mess you up a bit.

Personally, I like to be a bit speedy when I do it, but prefer 'lighter' stimulants with purer MDMA. And I've had the real stuff, in many countries including the Netherlands. I've also had a lot of stuff that was passed off as E, but that's one of the risks you take with an illegal drug.

There used to be a harm-reduction site in the US that sold testing kits... can't remember the url, it's been a while now.

edit: found the site, a lot of good info here: www.dancesafe.org

Crisp

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by stevie667
MDMA will NOT be mixed with LSD, it's just not done for various chemical and financial reasons.[quote]
Really, now.


Uh....what kind of E have you had? I have NEVER taken more than 1 at a time (meaning, for one whole night) and I have mainly experienced an extreme high- mostly good, I've had bunk E before which can either make you not feel a thing or puke/black out or both- but that has all happened to me just with ONE.



Um, I smoke weed, and even when I smoke A LOT which is rare, I don't *see* things, I just get extremely tired, and I have never known anyone who has *seen* things when high on weed unless it's laced.

Yes, I can agree here. This is why you see so many people at parties with binkies- gum is a lot safer, plus it gives you flavor and moisture. Drink lots of water, too- you'll feel like it anyways.

Sorry to have such an attitude, but I am not sure if you have experienced E.....I have enough to know it's effects and such.

ultra_agent9

I have also done e many times (and still like to indulge) and there has been a lot of good replies from people in this thread. So I will sum up what others have been saying with my own experiences:

E is most definitely a social drug. I tend to avoid drugs that are going to leave me in a heap in the corner spinning/hallucinating and unable to string a simple sentence together. I find that it's best to take e when you're in a place where OTHERS ARE DOING THE SAME DRUG. The vibe will be so much greater, you will feel the positive energy and love flowing in the room. It's hard to get into it when you're sitting in a dodgy pub with beer drinkers and bikers listening to crap music on the juke box. And yes, ONLY DO E WHEN YOU'RE WITH GOOD FRIENDS THAT YOU KNOW AND TRUST AND CAN HAVE FUN WITH. That is a must.

I want to do nothing more than get up and dance when I start to peak. If there is cool music playing (say, by a dj in a club), then you will FEEL the music rather than be listening to it, the music will come alive. It rocks in that respect, that it goes so well with certain types of music (namely dance music, but not limited to).

E on sex? Well I wouldn't worry about it on your on first time, you'll have a ton of fun just being with your friends in a club or party dancing and meeting new people (hopefully cute girls). In my experience I can only have sex when I'm peaking. Amazing feeling (if you're both on it) and it will certainly be a memorable notch on your bedpost. If I attempt sex after being out all night on it- sadly, I'm floppo the clown. Not the most exciting act in town...

Everyone already mentioned the must haves: water, gum etc so I won't go into that here. But, as someone said before: DRUGS WILL AFFECT EVERYONE DIFFERENTLY. Some say not to drink alcohol at all, but for me a few drinks to put me in the mood is fine. Other friends lay off the booze completely. Mixing with other drugs is something that only experienced people do so listen to other peoples experience to get an idea of what can happen.

REMEMBER: It sounds like you're a young guy so you have plenty of time to really enjoy your experiences with e so take it SLOW. I've seen people love it so much that they go out every weekend and go "ape and pillage" until they take it so much that they need more and more of it to get a good buzz. From what I've heard, the more you take, the worse the comedown is. So take it slow, and like most other things in life, DO IT IN MODERATION.

That being said, I'm off to a major dance party here in Tokyo this weekend so there is a good chance that I'll be indulging very soon. Oh- one more thing: go to a place where there are lots of honies around you and you will have a much more enjoyable time. You'll see what I mean...

Good luck and have a nice trip!

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ShaniFaye

nope I know mine was real, I loved the reaction I got from it I just didnt like coming down and THAT will keep me from ever doing it again...besides as someone that did crank/opiate shit a LOT when I was younger I know the difference in what it does to me.

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stevie667

I've had many many different types of E, that give all different kinds of effects, which i'm just generalising.
I've seen plenty of things when stoned, but you just have to know that your hullucinating, and the reality around you has changed.
Next time you take E, smoke some weed, sit down in a dark room with some trance in the backround, and look at some lights on a hi-fi or something. you have to give it a while, and try not to think, and then something will 90% of the time happen, then you can have a good giggle.
Hullucinagenics in my opinion are something that need to be worked on, you need to learn to 'know' your tripping, and once you do that, you can have great fun.
But, saying that all, you may just not be taking enough...

I've never had weed i havn't laced myself, and i've never heard of anyone lacing weed, so i can't really advise you on that matter. Some people don't trip off weed, some do, but weed will help tripping while on E.

As for taking E...The reason i stopped is because the police around here currently think i'm dealing it because i did it so often at parties and pretty much anywhere, which isn't good, because i don't like the police snoping around.

mikec

not for nothin', but with pure mdma, when you come down, it's just like, over. there's no real "come down"...you might feel a little down the next day from the serotonin overload the night before, but for me and all that have enjoyed the pure, there was no come down whatsoever.

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ShaniFaye

Did you overdose on it like I did?

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mikec

haha, no I guess not. 3 pills was the most I took. sorry heheh.

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Glory's Sun

why would anyone take more than 3 pills?? Once the 3rd pill is in your system..your brain has drained all of it's seratonin supply basically..anything after 3 is just a "dumbing" effect.. really a waste of money. If I was a dealer and someone wanted to chomp 9+ pills I'd sure be smiling to see them coming.

stevie667

The point of doing more than three pills is the complete and utter mind-fuck that it gives you.
In my heyday of taking alot more than three a night, i would get some spankingly good hullucinations.
If you've never tripped on pills before, what you won't know is the fact that everything is logical while your fucked. If a dog turns into a small box of tissues, you wouldn't think anything of it, because your brain will take that as what normally happens. So, the hullucinations you do get are immediatly taken in as normal, so half the time you can talk with a stool for 10 minutes before realising your fucked, and are talking to a stool.

It is something different, and a lot of fun.

Glory's Sun

I have mild hallucinations off of one good triple..I dunno..I just wouldn't want to take more than 2 or 3..but if you're into it..then have fun I guess

nate_dawg

I dont know what you guys are talking about, hallucinating and what not. E is NOT a hallucinogen, or a psychedelic (totally not in the same league as shrooms, or lsd; not to say that it isnt possible to hallucinate i guess.....), its simply a stimulant. its proper name is 3,4methylenedioxymethamphetamine, yep, methamphetamine's in there. you can't get hard very easily because its difficult while under the influence of any stimulant (also the reason why you tend to tweak out, grinding teeth and whatnot). don't worry about the bullshit about stacking, a stacked pill is likely to just contain more fillers (caffiene, ephedrine, speed, etc) and there really wont be any more mdma in the roll. people are greedy, especially drug dealers/producers. if you plan on rolling again, give it at least a good week, it takes about that long for the brain to build up its depleted serotonin levels. there's a lot of good, very pure rolls out there. just gotta know the right people.

Scheme

hey i have a problem with e too. I took it on saturday night and it was all good, had a mean time. But i woke up yesterday and i had a lot of puss under my tounge, kind of like alot of uslers. I dont know how i got these but I'm guessing it could be because i let the e disolve under my tounge (this is how i was told to take it)

any ideas?

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bermuDa

there was probably something else in the pill, prescribe.

I'm not going to write anything too long winded. aside from the disclaimer that you shouldn't do any drug that can potentially harm you which includes a lot of legal drugs as well, here's my two bits:

if it's your first time, do NOT take more than 1 pill. if it's bunk, chalk it up to experience, try again later, take it as an omen. DON'T TAKE ANOTHER PILL. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING IN THE PILL YOU TOOK THAT COULD REACT NEGATIVELY TO REAL MDMA.

swallowing a pill will take around 45 minutes to take effect. it will be a bit overwhelming at first but as long as you're in a cool environment there's no reason to panic or freak out.

You will be like a happy kid. You will be very friendly, you will be very trusting, you will be very stupid. roll with people you know, like and trust. You will have a stupid grin on your face, don't let people take photos of you.

Make sure your source is reliable.
Some people cut their E with other stuff in it. be aware of your condition. if you need to go to the hospitol, DO IT. There are certain reasons people die from "mdma related causes":

They take pills that have other drugs in them and have a bad reaction, or they mix drugs (on purpose or accidentally)

They don't drink enough water and get heat stroke

They drink TOO MUCH water and their kidneys shut down. this leads to a lot of commercials about what a danger mdma is.

that's all for now, go read up on erowid and dancesafe. know what you're putting into your body.



edit// one last thing: the toxicology of MDMA can poison your seratonin receptors by the reuptake of dopamine. my recommendation is to NOT take this drug more than a few times if at all.

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sonofsamedi

Damn, now i want to try it. Around here though, i'd be afraid. This is a nasty meth region.. knowing my luck, i'd either get busted, narc'd out, or end up with some nasty homebrewed crank.

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stevie667

Yes, E isn't classed as an hullucinogen in the same class as shrooms or LSD, but the stuff is still damned strong at high levels. Take enough of anything and it will fuck with your mind.

I would ask, have to ever taken E, regulary or not, dawg?

lurkette

How do you know who's a reliable source? Ask friends who have gotten good E where they got it?

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nate_dawg

sure have, probably 7 or 8 times (havent done it since may or so, prom night i think it was).

have you ever taken a psychedelic? i'd in no way compare a psychedelic trip (although my experience in this area is quite minimal......) to rolling on e on any given day, although that might just be me.......and everyone else that i know that has experienced both.

stevie667

Right, so you havn't done that many, i can forgive you in thinking so badly because you most likely havn't done higher doses.

Yes, i have taken several psychedelics, and i wouldn't compare them in any way to a trip on E. What i am saying is that they give a different trip, which can be very enjoyable.

Glory's Sun

the reason I would hallucinate (mildly) is because I was doing special k as well..and yes if you go into a "k hole" you are hallucinating to some degree..also when I hallucinate off of E what I mean is when I close my eyes I can envision myself to be anyone/anywhere and almost believe it's real. I don't mean that I see people's hair on fire or things climbing walls. That's where shrooms come in But like everyone says...every person reacts differently .... I'd have to agree with Bermuda though..I would advise against dropping E more than a few times..I've seen people with fried sensors and yes it's a sad sight to see.. me myself..I've done it 5 times and that's where I'm going to keep it. Have fun and be safe no matter how many times you do it.

nate_dawg

ok


and im saying that you dont trip on e (regardless of my experience). the fact that your hallucinating is probably form those higher doses, which isnt a normal effect of the drug. shit, i hallucinate after being spun for a few good days.........nothing like sleep dep and little to no food to bring the shadow people out to get you.......

now we can agree to disagree.

Glory's Sun

ahhh hallucinating from being spun out..now there's something fun Go speed racer go!

stevie667

Yup, i can deal with that.

mokle

The first (and only time) I did E, I loved it.

I was with many friends, and we got it from a source they had used hundreds of times before. I was told it was pure MDMA, and I have no reason to doubt him.

I snorted half a tab of E around 11pm. At 11:30pm, I swallowed the other half. By this time I was already feeling it. At about 1am, I swallowed another tab. By this time, I was *really* feeling good. I took another half tab 2 hours later to keep the high going.

I had a pack of beer during the night, too, and plenty of water. Near the end of the night I smoked some weed.

I didn't see any colours, and I didn't profess my love to all of my friends, but it felt great. Everything made me happy, and I doubt I would have been able to dslike anything at that point.

There were many girls and guys there, and we all massaged each other. Massages on E are heaven.

We all danced to trance music and gave massages until about 6am, when everyone seemed to fall from the high. Only 1 friend was still high on the E, haha.

As for the "crash", or the day after E, I didn't feel it like people describe. I slept from 6am to 12pm (6 hours), and proceded to drive 10 hours back home, stopping oce for fuel. I had a McD's breakfast and a case of RedBull for the trip. I was kinda tired, but not depressed.

Not sure if it was related, but my spine seemed to hurt for the 2 days after that night.

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alpha

Check out www.erowid.org for info about E and stories from those who've done it.

RelaX

Man... I once wanted to try E, almost did it too, but I could only get a bunch of pills, from a guy, he didn't sell them seperately. And I really didn't want to have access to more than one pill, my system always reacts sharply to drugs (any drug, even caffeine), which rocks, because I never need to take as much as other people for the same high. It also sucks though as it's easy to overdo stuff.
Reading this thread makes me want to try it again... too bad I don't have access though...

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Delirious

I used to goto a 24 hour gym at 4 in the morning after i spent the night partying and high on E. Fucked up thing was I would put up like double the weight I could normally.

I have since stopped this behavior because it was extremely unhealthy but damnit reading this thread makes me want to go party like I used to..

Captain Canada

I tend to do that sometimes when on stimulants.