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ledhead 11-16-2003 07:59 PM

can u help me settle an argument about england
 
i say that wales scotland and n. ireland are all part of great britain. as in the all have the same government, ex. prime minister, tony stewart.

my parents say that wales, scotland, n. ireland, and england are all different countries with different govts.

who is right?

lordjeebus 11-16-2003 08:02 PM

Wales, Scotland, and N. Ireland are not part of England, but are part of the United Kingdom, as is England.

It's like how California, Nevada, and Arizona are not part of Texas, but the four are part of the USA.

ledhead 11-16-2003 08:03 PM

yeah, thats what i mean. so i am right?

lordjeebus 11-16-2003 08:04 PM

They are all part of one nation.

It is confusing because Wales, Scotland, and N. Ireland have their own "national assemblies."

numist 11-16-2003 08:05 PM

no, because your wording stated Engand, not United Kingdom. Wording in such cases is very particular.

It doesn't really matter what you meant, they can't see what you meant through an erroneous statement.

ledhead 11-16-2003 08:13 PM

there, i changed it. now who ever reads it should understand.

lordjeebus 11-16-2003 08:17 PM

With your corrected wording, you are correct.

But would your parents disagree with this new wording?

ledhead 11-16-2003 08:20 PM

i think they understood what i was saying whether it be england or great britain.

nirol 11-16-2003 09:01 PM

I didnt look this up, but:

Great Britain is a geographical term for the island containing England, Scotland and Wales.
United Kingdom is a political term which includes Norther Ireland with the above, plus all the smaller islands like the Ile of Man, Jersey, and Guernesy. I also think outlying possesions are also included in this designation, i.e. The Faulklands, British Virgin Islands, and others. Not real strong on this though.

wry1 11-17-2003 02:08 AM

So far, nirol has put it best. I'm also not too sure, but I think that with Scotland enacting its National Assembly (or whatever they call it there), they are now pretty much autonomous - but remain part of the United Kingdom so far as currency, tourism and trade are concerned.

Your best bet is to target this to those who live in England and the U.K. and see what they tell you. I'm nowhere near there.

remiel 11-17-2003 06:58 AM

the countries that make up Great Britain are England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland is also often counted.

All of these countries fall under the governemnt of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own parliaments. Wales has its own assembley, but they are all subject to legislation made by the parliament in Westminster. Tony Blair is prime minister of the whole shebang.


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