Pastor Fatally Shot
 

What the heck is wrong with people? Wonder what the reason behind this is?

Do me a favor and don't turn this thread into a gun rights debate.

I blame the Sham-WOW!

why does this remind of me of Malcolm X's assassination?

hahaha I said that in the middle of a CAEA meeting the other day.

It's probably a) he's fucking nuts, b) he has some sort of vendetta with God, c) Sham-WOW, or d) all of the above.

I'd say that the perp. had something personal against not just the pastor but also the religion as he could have shot the pastor at any time but that he waited until he could make a big entrance and publicly "condemn" the pastor

the idea that this would have anything to do with gun control is a bit odd,
as his gun jammed I'd say we have some pretty efficient control right there

What interests me is how did he injure himself?
Was he attempting suicide and stabbed himself or was the cut incidental from the parishioners?

:thumbsup:

that was funny.

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I had heard that Illinois had implemented new gun control laws, specifically one that made guns jam after 5 shots against unarmed church goers.


:rolleyes:

So the shooter/stabber isn't dead? I wonder what his reasons for doing this are?

I hearing and reading the shooter may have a mental issue due to Lyme Disease. I had no idea Lyme could get that bad.

Wow, a news article that's not using sensationalism to put this story in the stratosphere like the rest of the agencies. There's articles going around saying that the pastor "deflected numerous bullets" from the gunmen with his bible and all sorts of stupid shit.

Anyone heard anything about whether the Bad Touch was involved?

"You and me baby ain't nothin but mammals......"
IT'S THE FAULT OF THE BLOODHOUND GANG AND THEIR CATCHY BUT LYRICALLY F*D MUSIC! + SHAM-WOW!

What's wrong with people? They're people. They snap, and go apeshit. I think it could happen to any one of us.
There should be a notice in public places similar to those "What to do if someone's choking" things in restaurants; "signs of imminent mass murdering rampage to be aware of".
It's also sad that these random killings happen so often that we end up seeing them as funny. Maybe it's a normal reaction to shield ourselves from the stress of living in an unpredictable world.
I guess my heart goes out to the churchgoers and friends of the pastor. The dude was probably a good man who just tried to help people through religion.

I suspect he was a non believer.

Lasereth your wrong!! He used his staff to deflect the bullets, the bible was what he used when he turned the pages open to proverbs and showed it to the perp, shining a bright light into his eyes which then drove him to madness and end up stabbing himself.

Read the facts!!!

/joke, just in case no one gets it.

It turns out that the shooter apparently has "brain lesions" caused (theoretically) by Lyme Disease. The St. Louis Post did a story about his condition in August.

Man charged in Tenn. church shooting -- chicagotribune.com

Apparently he had a lot more planned, and when circumstances went sideways on him, he stabbed himself in the neck, which almost killed him.

Wow. Just wow.

one quote that stood out from your link jazz...


"Lyme disease doesn't cause people to shoot people,"

is lymes disease being used as an excuse?? i dont think there can be an excuse

I don't think it's being used as an excuse, exactly. Just a cause for the brain injury that theoretically cause this tragedy. I can attest from personal experience that brain lesions can cause violent behaviors.

Well people with mental illnesses do crazy things, just the way it works. Sometimes people get hurt. I find it sad but if he was completely out of his mind due to an illness I'm not sure he's responsible for his actions. IMO, that why we have insanity laws on the books.

That in no way takes away the awful pain and suffering for the victims family and friends.

The_Jazz, could you expand a bit more on violent behaviors? Could he have possibly been so far gone that he calmly walked the aisle up to the pulpit and shot the man? I can believe the self stabbing thing could have been caused by the illness but maybe not the shooting. I think premeditation.

If you have a problem with Vince Offer, you have a problem with me, buddy.
This wouldn't have happened if he had more bibles.

I am related to someone with brain lesions caused by organic means (not by Lyme Disease but another vector). Between the ages of 18 and about 28, he grew increasingly eratic and violent. He was diagnosed with both schizophrenia and manic depression, which are supposed to be on the opposite ends of the mental illness charts from what I understand. There were numerous fights, several instances of stalking and some situations that probably could have been lethal had the other party not backed down. Medication was completely ineffective, unless you could lethargy and weight gain as positive effects. It took a brain scan of some sort (I guess an MRI but I really don't know) to reveal the brain damage, and that was after about 10 years of misdiagnosis. In the end, he just sort of "grew out of it" and is a relatively normal person with no real violent tendancies.

Interestingly enough, my relative was very anti-religion for a time and rants about the Babtists and Catholics were both par for the course from him.

I think that you're confusing the two issues here in terms of premeditation. I think that this was most definitely premeditated, which in no way rules out mental illness. When my relative would get in one of his "spells" (as my grandmother called them), they would last weeks and he really didn't know right from wrong where violence was concerned. Interestlying, he wouldn't steal or lie or otherwise be dishonest, he would just overreact to seemingly innoccuous events in an inappropriately violent way.

Bill Maher has gone too far this time.