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Ustwo · 09-22-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by analog

It's interesting that this thread kept meandering towards discussing teenage sex, when that's not at all what it's about. It's predictable, though, because the premise of the thread was calling out the practices of bad parents.

Parents are quick to squelch discussion about proper parenting... because when logic says "doing x, y, and z makes you an idiot of a parent" and they, themselves, do x, y, or z, they have to ignore that logic and try to change the subject.

It's like bringing up the idiocy of smoking in front of kids. Everyone in the room is ok with someone saying, "smoking in front of your kids is not only terribly bad for their health, but makes it look acceptable for them to do" until you get the one parent who DOES smoke in front of their kids, and then you're an asshole for "telling someone how to raise their kids". lol

Considering the entire negative point of the opening post was parents giving their kids unrestricted, unsupervised, limitless internet access on a personal computer, I'm curious how anyone can justify to themselves that "doing what you can" would not include keeping all computer access to central areas of the home where they can't be doing shit like this.

Depending on the age you can, but at a time where every library and most phones have internet access, how do you plan to stop a kid who wants to do this from doing it without putting them in a bubble?

filtherton · 09-22-2007, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by analog

It's interesting that this thread kept meandering towards discussing teenage sex, when that's not at all what it's about. It's predictable, though, because the premise of the thread was calling out the practices of bad parents.

Parents are quick to squelch discussion about proper parenting... because when logic says "doing x, y, and z makes you an idiot of a parent" and they, themselves, do x, y, or z, they have to ignore that logic and try to change the subject.

It's like bringing up the idiocy of smoking in front of kids. Everyone in the room is ok with someone saying, "smoking in front of your kids is not only terribly bad for their health, but makes it look acceptable for them to do" until you get the one parent who DOES smoke in front of their kids, and then you're an asshole for "telling someone how to raise their kids". lol

Considering the entire negative point of the opening post was parents giving their kids unrestricted, unsupervised, limitless internet access on a personal computer, I'm curious how anyone can justify to themselves that "doing what you can" would not include keeping all computer access to central areas of the home where they can't be doing shit like this.

It's a faulty premise. You've noticed a lot more underaged girls in the porn you look at, so when did people stop paying attention to their kids? That is not a logically constructed argument, unless by "pay attention to their kids" you mean 24/7, which is a completely unrealistic expectation to have.

I know you think yourself fit to judge the quality of a parent by the behavior of the child, but really, unless you know a whole lot more about a particular child's life experiences you really aren't in a position to make any credible assumptions about that child's parent's parenting abilities. Really. If you don't understand why this is the case you should stop telling yourself that you are a competent judge of human behavior. You don't know shit about any of these girls, and the fact that you think you are in a position to judge their family situation based on the fact that you've seen their nipples is beyond just ridiculous, it's fucking arrogant and ridiculous.

I you really want to know why there are more underage girls in the porn you look at you need look no further than the fact that it is really easy to put naked pictures of yourself online. You do not need unrestricted, unsupervised, limitless internet access to a personal computer to put naked pictures of yourself on the internet. You don't even need a computer, a phone with a camera will work just fine.

mixedmedia · 09-22-2007, 07:49 PM

Uh, amen, brother.

Bill O'Rights · 09-22-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

I know you think yourself fit to judge the quality of a parent by the behavior of the child, but really, unless you know a whole lot more about a particular child's life experiences you really aren't in a position to make any credible assumptions about that child's parent's parenting abilities. Really. If you don't understand why this is the case you should stop telling yourself that you are a competent judge of human behavior. You don't know shit about any of these girls, and the fact that you think you are in a position to judge their family situation based on the fact that you've seen their nipples is beyond just ridiculous, it's fucking arrogant and ridiculous.

[standing ovation]

This also extends beyond the whole "porn" issue, as well. My own daughter, who was not lacking for parental guidance and support, is making some incredibly poor life decisions. She is going against virtually everything that I, and the rest of her family, value and have taught her. I have concluded that she will have to hit rock bottom before she understands. And while it's a painfully hard thing, for the parent of an adult child, to sit back and watch as his child spirals in...I cannot, and will not support her bad decisions. All I can do is to stand by to assist in helping to clean up, and hopefully recover, when she finally crashes and burns.

Healthy trees can also bear the occasional bitter fruit.

JumpinJesus · 09-23-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

It's interesting that this thread kept meandering towards discussing teenage sex, when that's not at all what it's about. It's predictable, though, because the premise of the thread was calling out the practices of bad parents.

Parents are quick to squelch discussion about proper parenting... because when logic says "doing x, y, and z makes you an idiot of a parent" and they, themselves, do x, y, or z, they have to ignore that logic and try to change the subject.

It's like bringing up the idiocy of smoking in front of kids. Everyone in the room is ok with someone saying, "smoking in front of your kids is not only terribly bad for their health, but makes it look acceptable for them to do" until you get the one parent who DOES smoke in front of their kids, and then you're an asshole for "telling someone how to raise their kids". lol

Considering the entire negative point of the opening post was parents giving their kids unrestricted, unsupervised, limitless internet access on a personal computer, I'm curious how anyone can justify to themselves that "doing what you can" would not include keeping all computer access to central areas of the home where they can't be doing shit like this.

I'm beginning to fall under the impression that the point of this thread was to satisfy some narcissistic need you have to tell others how wrong they are. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that fall under the tent of trolling? One can try to conceal bait in paragraph upon paragraph of pedantic meanderings, but what still remains is that you're yet again hoping to bait someone into your manipulative arguments.

Your attacks on parenting have grown stale and truthfully, are becoming caricatures of themselves.

Your arguments are as sensical as any of us here saying that if anybody dies under your care, it's because you're a lousy paramedic. There will be no excuse for this to occur as it will be obvious that you didnt' think of every measure possible to help them. That makes you a bad paramedic. I'm sure you'll gladly concede that.

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that what you seek is not discussion, but a game of gotcha in which you always get to win.

analog · 09-23-2007, 09:17 PM

This thread wasn't meant as an attack on parenting, it was an attack on BAD parenting. By and large, it is bad parents who raise bad kids. Yes, many kids will defy all logic, care, and teaching that their parents attempt to bestow on them and turn out less than what their parents had hoped, but I don't believe that it's a very substantial number at all.

I'm sorry that I'm concerned about bad parents. I would have thought that all you good parents would be just as unhappy with bad parents, if not more so, than I am.

As people who have kids, I would have thought- as you're all so eager to point out to me repeatedly- that your experience as a good parent would set off all kinds of alarms, and anger you, to see people being bad parents.

Maybe some people are only concerned about the welfare of their own children, unless it's something truly epic like child rape or abuse. There are some people in this world, however, who care about others and don't just keep quiet when they see parents being idiots.

Say what you want about my opinions and whether you think I'm wrong or not... but I'm surprised that people want to put down someone who is actually cares.

filtherton · 09-24-2007, 05:17 AM

I think that if you really cared you'd probably be less inclined to see this as solely the result of bad parenting, or at least less inclined to insinuate that anyone who doesn't see it that way is being intellectually dishonest.

Besides, what's there to care about? As far as you know, these girls are doing just fine. Do you really think that posting naked pictures of yourself on the internet is a sign of trouble? Have you ever been to the EB?

The_Jazz · 09-24-2007, 07:16 AM

What separates a "good" parent from a "bad" one? Leave out the obvious criminals, and I think that the two are closer than most of us may think. All parents can do is try to impart their wisdom and hope that the kids make good decisions. Perhaps (but maybe not) we can teach kids to make those good decisions.

I don't buy that.

This thread is full of folks who defy the logic that "bad" parents raise "bad" kids. A kids who posts naked pictures of themselves online is the product of "bad" parents? No way. It's a kid that made a bad decision. How many of us made bad decisions when were we kids? Anyone that doesn't that in the affirmative is a liar - there's no other word for it. Hell, I still make bad decisions.

Analog, I just can't accept your argument at all. Parents can only be responsible for so much. I also can't accept that you can find fault with a parent for something done without their knowledge. Sure some parents don't peer over their kids' shoulders every second of the day, but I'll bet that you can critisize helicopter parents too. You're not "calling out" anything; you're trying to make some obscure point that, as both a parent and a reader of this thread, seems to have no actual impact on real life.

Plan9 · 09-28-2007, 02:43 AM

Yeah, my parents were both fine, upstanding citizens... and look how I turned out!

...

Tarnishing titles pisses people off when they have to wear that title for the rest of their lives and they can't really get rid of it even if they tried.

Especially parents. Sometimes exconvicts. Mostly parents.

Like exconvict, anybody in society can wear the parent title.

It doesn't mean anything itself... just that you have genitals.

The good and bad thing? All relative and based on opinion.

Parents should care. I suppose that is why the title hurts sometimes.

orionnebula · 09-29-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Of course you're going to have "parents" that are more than willing to let the school system, TV, and the internet raise thier children. I think, however, that those are the exception...not the rule. Most of us (parents) want to do a good job.

That I don't agree.

With more familly having 2 parents working, it is easier to put your child in front of the tv and relax.

And TV has getting ugly for that. Sex is everywhere, underarm protection ads are now all about sex. Axe, Old Spice are the one that comes quickly to mind.

Teens are seing sex every where. and it is getting more normal that having a familly dinner.

As for the original topic. Underage picture is a problem. I like to watch amateur photos, must be the voyeur in me. But sometimes, I wonder is that legal for me to watch this girl. I know there are 15 years old that looks like 25 and vice-versa, but you have to wonder.

The first liability goes to the site owner, they do not respect their compliance license.

As for the parent, they are liable for their kid. But as it was mentioned earlier the NMK symptom is way to present.

09-22-2007, 07:49 PM	#43 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Uh, amen, brother. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

09-24-2007, 07:16 AM	#48 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	What separates a "good" parent from a "bad" one? Leave out the obvious criminals, and I think that the two are closer than most of us may think. All parents can do is try to impart their wisdom and hope that the kids make good decisions. Perhaps (but maybe not) we can teach kids to make those good decisions. I don't buy that. This thread is full of folks who defy the logic that "bad" parents raise "bad" kids. A kids who posts naked pictures of themselves online is the product of "bad" parents? No way. It's a kid that made a bad decision. How many of us made bad decisions when were we kids? Anyone that doesn't that in the affirmative is a liar - there's no other word for it. Hell, I still make bad decisions. Analog, I just can't accept your argument at all. Parents can only be responsible for so much. I also can't accept that you can find fault with a parent for something done without their knowledge. Sure some parents don't peer over their kids' shoulders every second of the day, but I'll bet that you can critisize helicopter parents too. You're not "calling out" anything; you're trying to make some obscure point that, as both a parent and a reader of this thread, seems to have no actual impact on real life. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

09-28-2007, 02:43 AM	#49 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Yeah, my parents were both fine, upstanding citizens... and look how I turned out! ... Tarnishing titles pisses people off when they have to wear that title for the rest of their lives and they can't really get rid of it even if they tried. Especially parents. Sometimes exconvicts. Mostly parents. Like exconvict, anybody in society can wear the parent title. It doesn't mean anything itself... just that you have genitals. The good and bad thing? All relative and based on opinion. Parents should care. I suppose that is why the title hurts sometimes. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

09-23-2007, 09:17 PM	#46 (permalink)
analog Banned	This thread wasn't meant as an attack on parenting, it was an attack on BAD parenting. By and large, it is bad parents who raise bad kids. Yes, many kids will defy all logic, care, and teaching that their parents attempt to bestow on them and turn out less than what their parents had hoped, but I don't believe that it's a very substantial number at all. I'm sorry that I'm concerned about bad parents. I would have thought that all you good parents would be just as unhappy with bad parents, if not more so, than I am. As people who have kids, I would have thought- as you're all so eager to point out to me repeatedly- that your experience as a good parent would set off all kinds of alarms, and anger you, to see people being bad parents. Maybe some people are only concerned about the welfare of their own children, unless it's something truly epic like child rape or abuse. There are some people in this world, however, who care about others and don't just keep quiet when they see parents being idiots. Say what you want about my opinions and whether you think I'm wrong or not... but I'm surprised that people want to put down someone who is actually cares.

09-24-2007, 05:17 AM	#47 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I think that if you really cared you'd probably be less inclined to see this as solely the result of bad parenting, or at least less inclined to insinuate that anyone who doesn't see it that way is being intellectually dishonest. Besides, what's there to care about? As far as you know, these girls are doing just fine. Do you really think that posting naked pictures of yourself on the internet is a sign of trouble? Have you ever been to the EB?