Goddammned Nazi's marching on my town
 

I am a resident of Columbia MO, and recently learned that on Saturday, the National Socialist Movement will be marching on the local university

This sucks- I own a WEAPONS shop (swords and knives mainly, no guns) - so if things go badly, then I fear I may be a target for looting, etc- also, my wares could attract them- and I will not serve @#&*! nazi's- We plan to post a sign about refusing service, but it still does not make me feel comfortable......

Anyone else on the board to deal with something like this- and anyone got some suggestions- anyone had to deal with skinheads before?

My grandfather dealt with Nazi's with an M1 Garand.

The sign might attract them.... hard to say what might happen tho....

Jonathan

Why, oh why, do they call themselves socialist?

You've got weapons, and I'm sure you know how to use them. Be sure your shop is fortified from light gunfire and simply hang out in the back.

I'd like to go down to the university with a sign that reads, "The Jews Won".

well I haven't marched with them obviously but I've covered them enough. They're VERY VERY interested in things not turning violent. They're even more interested in making the other side the one that starts the violence if it has to happen. There's a new strategy with these guys, and with the various KKK branches out there. "Let's try to be reasonable racists. We're just here to express our opinion," etc etc etc.

The good news is that unless anti-racist groups start trouble, there generally isn't any trouble at a NSM/KKK rally. The bad news is that some idiot might actually believe them when they say they're reasonable racists.

As to your event, I monitor the various white power idiot boards so I can keep tabs on our local racists. It doesn't look like the idiots at Stormfront, which is one of the larger racist groups, even know about this rally, so it should be relatively small. To give you an idea, the last huge rally I covered was advertised all over everywhere, including Stormfront, and 7 marchers showed up ;)

Funny they should march on the university - - seems they're pissed off at the journalism school because gee, seems there aren't any white supremacist journalists graduating from that particular institution, and what a travesty to the Fourth Estate that is ;)

The location could actually spark your trouble, because college kids just LOVE antagonizing racists.

I would definitely NOT post that sign. Frankly were I you I'd just close the shop for the 5 hours the march is going on - especially if you're within a 10 block radius of campus. You probably won't sell much, and posting a sign like that might antagonize an idiot.

suprisingly, the city is encouraging buisinesses to post a sign, as to closing, I do not want to leave my shop unattended- I worked for years to get it, and will not let it get looted- as it happens one of my close associates, a cop, will be hanging out there with me- and a few friends of ours as well.... doubt that we will be to busy either, but the other businesses in my building will be open, so if nothing else, we can play cards.....

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just close for the day, take the day to do inventory so your on the premises. no matter how big of douches they are, they have the right to march.

These idiots have the right to march, but you have the right to close your shop and stay away from their march. Do all you can to close your shop - put up all the shutters and protections you can to keep them from breaking into your shop - that includes taking down all signs you have that advertise that you have fire arms. I'm sure they won't want to stir up trouble, but you never know, do you?

KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR SHOP SURE! When the march is said and done, your shop will still be there, not having supported their crap. That will keep you in repeat business....

Your Cop friend is not called Zed is he?

"Fetch the Gimp!". ;)

Try and think of something TO SELL to either the nazis, the public who comes to support them, the public who comes to oppose them, and preferably anyone involved with the gathering. Something like buttons, bumperstickers, drinks, medals, toys, candy, laserguns, lightsabres...or something with a slogan on it, personalized to the event and/or city. Laugh and mock them all the way to the bank. Show them real freedom, show them real power, expose their idiocy: show them the American Way.

You got my coke sprayed all over my screen and keyboard for that comment. LMAO!!

Carno...I love that reply. :thumbsup:

Fire, I'm gonna have to follow the herd here, and say put up a "Closed" sign. Be on site, if you want. But, I can't imagine that any sales that you make, during that narrow window, will be worth the risk. Unless, of course, you want to make a statement, by remaining open. I can see that, too.

You know.... It's easy for me to say from all the way over here with no personal or financial stake in the matter. But I hate to see assholes like this have the power to close up even a single honest merchant for the day. It's like a western movie when the bad guys ride into town and everybody holes up. These guys are closing you down with just the threat of their presence. That's terrorism, right there.

I don't know if powerclown's suggestion is the wisest in terms of safety, but I certainly like it best in terms of attitude.

Having your cop buddy on hand (especially if he's in uniform) would be very helpful no matter what you do, I think.

The best way to protest is act however you would have acted without a march going on...

Is the march in a "bad" neighborhood? The riots that started in in Toledo were started by the people mad that the Nazi's were there. There were like 12 Nazi's, and they were marching to protest the treatment of the whites (I guess that's the best term) in the neighborhood. All hell broke out, the cops stepped in too late, several businesses were torched and looted. Unless you are right near (within a block or two) of the march, I wouldn't be too worried. But closing for the day, but being there is a good idea.

Well, if it were me, I would have some sort of "private" sale going on during the day...easy to refuse service, no explanations necessary. Then I'd throw a party for me and my knife- and gun-wielding friends. I'd watch Cohen Brothers movies and Richard Pryor standup routines. I'd make any normal sales at my "private" sale.

It seems to me that the biggest threat is not from the Nazis but from people using the march as an excuse to loot. If you and your friend decide to stay then you should probably be equipped with shotguns to let the looters know that there are easier targets and that looting your store is too dangerous for them. If you decide to close and leave then perhaps you can store the weapons you sell off site for a day.

Yours, and a lot of our Grandfathers fought and died for a county where a Nazi parade is possible. And that is a great thing! We are a country born on dissension and doubt, and freedom to express whatever the hell we want to. Be that Nazism, Christian, Voodoo, Socialist, or Judaism.

I am not saying go outside and cheer for the Nazis, but don't be overtly harsh either. Freedom cannot be so without Nazis marching down main street.

"I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it." (some attribute this to Voltaire, but it isn't)

What in the hell are you talking about?

He's saying that your grandfather's actions don't apply to this situation because the Nazis concerned are Americans and therefore have every right to say what they want.

Did I say my grandfather's actions applied?

Probably the smartest idea I've heard in a while, very clever :)

That was a rather rude reply, don't you think? It's pretty obvious what he's saying. Read it again.

There were some nazis who tried to march on my state capital back when i was in high school - probably ten years ago. A group of local ARA members met them with rocks and sticks and chased them off.

We haven't had any nazi marches since.

I don't necessarily advocate violence, but sometimes it works.

For a few years my friends and I would play a game of football every summer with the local neo-Nazi Skinheads... We always won.

It was our way of showing each other that no matter what the other believed in... we could all still get along.

WK, awesome post. One of the best I've seen. Very well illustrated.

That was the point I am trying to get across. Maybe I can put it in words that more people can understand:

I don't give a shit what you think, what you do, or what you believe, as long as you grant me the same right.

Does this condone the ideas and ideals of Nazis? Yes and no. Yes as in 'hate whomever you would like', No as in act on it in a violent or damaging way and you lose that right.

Exactly... Hating someone just because they hate someone else makes you no better then they are.

Saying that you don't want them in your town because you're afraid there will be looting and because you own a weapons shop that you will be targeted is being just as closed-minded as they are.

Hate is the same... no matter where it comes from.

I understood it perfectly well the first time, thanks.

What I don't understand is why he seems to think that my comment about the M1 Garand meant that I think we should kill all people who don't think the way I do.

And I also think it's easy to talk about dying to defend freedoms from the comfort of your house. Talk is cheap.

Whoa there. Down boy.

As I recall, Crack served his country, in the U.S. Air Force. Now...from what I see...he didn't die. But, he served, none the less. So, let's all just sit back down, and resume our conversation.

The KKK march that I observed in Dallas went exactly as Shakran described. A paltry few of the Klan showed up and were outnumbered 50:1 by an outraged group there to meet them. The sole purpose of these rallies is to get media attention and it seems to succeed every time.

Fire, unless you have good reason to be concerned based on past experience, I would suggest to carry on as usual. There will be police there to keep things from getting out of hand.

Be there, Fire. Pretend it's business as usual, since it probably will be. Skinheads (whatever-the-hell they are) have less power than they aspire to and are unlikely to get it. Stand your ground!

Yeah, I don't see it that way- because if you were Jewish, or any one of several other numerous nationalities/religions/colors OTHER than white, they would hate you- you would not be playing games with them. They would be hating the very core of you for simply existing.

If people followed the "I shouldn't hate them because they hate someone else, not me, it's none of my business" theory, most all of Europe would be named Germany right now and America would likely be trading slaves with them. Oh, Hitler hates someone else, not me, so I don't care; The south hates black people? Well, they don't hate me so I don't care who they hate, we can still be chums.

I don't find it at all acceptable to find another's hatred ok simply because that hatred doesn't extend to you.

So...it's wrong to hate.

But...

It's ok to hate the hater.

as long as...

You're hating the hater for hating.

Right?

Wait, it's not that hating is ok, it's that they have the right to hate.

The difference is that Hitler was killing the people he hated. This people are simply marching. There is no reason to hate someone that is expressing their beliefs in a non-violent way.

because when they took power they nationalized many industries. They are just communists under a different banner.

is this thread really worth staying open?

c'mon, people, you're discussing the philosophy of hate...

Even though what they stand for is genocide and racism, both of which being very violent causes in themselves?

If I stood on the street corner with a smile on my face and just as peaceful as can be, with a sign that says, "I like to kill kittens and babies, and rape teenage girls", you're saying it's unreasonable for people to feel hatred for me?