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fish_oinc · 12-11-2007, 03:30 PM

If blood and guts make you sick don't go hear it is a dead guy this might be not the right forum to post this in and Jazz if I'm too off color with this I'm sorry please delete it

This was an accident and I hate to admit it I do this kind of work so it hit home with me, we got it in a safety message at work but they didn't worn us other then this is not how to unload a bull dozer,

I warn you .

http://www.binary242.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451

Willravel · 12-11-2007, 04:05 PM

That's horrible. Aren't role cages supposed to be rated to take quite a bit so as to avoid accidents like that?

Martian · 12-11-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

That's horrible. Aren't role cages supposed to be rated to take quite a bit so as to avoid accidents like that?

Dozers don't have roll cages as such, since they're typically too large for them to be of any use. They do typically have an awning or cage which is more to protect the operator from any debris than anything else. I would estimate a machine of that size to weigh somewhere in the 10 to 15 ton range, so a functional rollcage would have to be so bulky as to be totally impractical. Note the size of the crane being used to lift the machine.

Willravel · 12-11-2007, 05:04 PM

This thread reminds me of the canadian public service commercials thread. I suspect this could have been avoided.

Martin, good info, thanks.

The_Jazz · 12-11-2007, 05:07 PM

Fish, if you were looking for my blessing, I don't think we have any rule about this sort of thing, which means that it's completely in bounds. We're pretty specific about what we don't want, and this isn't on that list.

Here's the really interesting thing, though. I've been having an ongoing conversation about a claim on one of my accounts that rents equipment like this. It most definitely isn't this same incident (this one looks European to me) since no one died, but it basically involves a piece of equipment being unloaded from a trailer that rolled over and off when it hit the d-ring tiedown. Given this, I doubt that was the cause, but we've been trying to figure out if it is an auto liability or general liability claim for a week or so, and I think it's an interesting coincidence that this set of pictures shows up just as we've gotten our problem solved. I may send this to a couple folks (with stronger stomachs) on the distribution list.

Thanks, Fish.

And will, there's not a rollcage made that would withstand this kind of thing. An enclosed cab MIGHT handle it, but it looks to me like the machine was inverted before it struck the ground. It may not have been, but given the position of the body and the truck, it was certainly within 15 degrees.

Martian · 12-11-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

This thread reminds me of the canadian public service commercials thread. I suspect this could have been avoided.

Probably. Most accidents of this nature are a result of operator error. It never ceases to amaze me that someone could get on a machine of that size and power and exercise anything less than the utmost care in it's operation.

IdolGirl · 12-11-2007, 08:16 PM

Daaaayum...poor guy! How the hell did he manage that?

I worked EMS for 9 plus years, and ran calls on all types of stuff where guts and brains were hanging out. But man, that was a mess!

bobby · 12-12-2007, 07:34 AM

I'm not going to look at this thread.........!

xoxoxoo

owlbill · 12-12-2007, 07:57 AM

Jesus, that is a rare sight indeed.

fish_oinc · 12-12-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

That's horrible. Aren't role cages supposed to be rated to take quite a bit so as to avoid accidents like that?

We were told it was a new peace of equipment and it hadn’t had the ROPS on it yet (Roll Over Protection System ) You can see there was no blade either

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Originally Posted by Martian

Probably. Most accidents of this nature are a result of operator error. It never ceases to amaze me that someone could get on a machine of that size and power and exercise anything less than the utmost care in it's operation.

It was the blocks that were under the trailer collapsed they said , that wasn’t the safe way to unload although I have done it a lot of times myself with other equipment

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Originally Posted by The_Jazz

Fish, if you were looking for my blessing, I don't think we have any rule about this sort of thing, which means that it's completely in bounds. We're pretty specific about what we don't want, and this isn't on that list..

Not looking for a blessing just didn’t want to go too far with the gore

noodle · 12-12-2007, 04:05 PM

mmm... brains.

Bear Cub · 12-13-2007, 12:58 PM

Pretty gross, but luckily I'm relatively desensitized to this kind of stuff. Something about seeing a biker's body strewn over a 100 yard span in front of your house as a child that kind of does that to you.

fish_oinc · 12-13-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChassisWelder

Pretty gross, but luckily I'm relatively desensitized to this kind of stuff. Something about seeing a biker's body strewn over a 100 yard span in front of your house as a child that kind of does that to you.

Yeah so does War Viet Nam 1969-1970

Halx · 12-13-2007, 10:40 PM

So.. I'm assuming the thing rolled on top of him or was he on it when it rolled over?

Bossnass · 12-13-2007, 10:58 PM

As far as I can tell, its a brand new machine. I would guess that it is 'fresh off the boat' and was being loaded onto the truck. The operator was driving the dozer (probably from a large sea canister) up onto the truck bed. A combination of operator error/weight distribution(lack of blade, etc)/loading wedges caused it to "pop a wheelie" all the way over.

MzNadia · 12-14-2007, 01:11 AM

I feel sorry for the EMS worker! Do you guys know how difficult it is to uncurl a guy from that position once rigor has set in?

IdolGirl · 12-14-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MzNadia

I feel sorry for the EMS worker! Do you guys know how difficult it is to uncurl a guy from that position once rigor has set in?

*waves hand frantically in the air*

Ooo! Oooh! Pick me! Pick me!

ShaniFaye · 12-14-2007, 06:42 AM

I have to admit, as safety coordinator at work I see some pretty bad videos/pictures of accidents....this one is just awful...poor guy

DaveOrion · 12-14-2007, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martian

Dozers don't have roll cages as such, since they're typically too large for them to be of any use. They do typically have an awning or cage which is more to protect the operator from any debris than anything else. I would estimate a machine of that size to weigh somewhere in the 10 to 15 ton range, so a functional rollcage would have to be so bulky as to be totally impractical. Note the size of the crane being used to lift the machine.

Bulldozers do in fact have rollcages and they are rated to protect the operator from rollovers (go figure

). As fish has already stated this was a new piece of equipment with the cage & blade uninstalled.

World's King · 12-14-2007, 06:05 PM

I have so many off color comments in my head...

I just don't feel like spilling my guts right now... HA!!

12-11-2007, 03:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
fish_oinc Tilted Location: mountains of va.	Don't look at this if you're faint of heart If blood and guts make you sick don't go hear it is a dead guy this might be not the right forum to post this in and Jazz if I'm too off color with this I'm sorry please delete it This was an accident and I hate to admit it I do this kind of work so it hit home with me, we got it in a safety message at work but they didn't worn us other then this is not how to unload a bull dozer, I warn you . http://www.binary242.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451

12-11-2007, 05:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Fish, if you were looking for my blessing, I don't think we have any rule about this sort of thing, which means that it's completely in bounds. We're pretty specific about what we don't want, and this isn't on that list. Here's the really interesting thing, though. I've been having an ongoing conversation about a claim on one of my accounts that rents equipment like this. It most definitely isn't this same incident (this one looks European to me) since no one died, but it basically involves a piece of equipment being unloaded from a trailer that rolled over and off when it hit the d-ring tiedown. Given this, I doubt that was the cause, but we've been trying to figure out if it is an auto liability or general liability claim for a week or so, and I think it's an interesting coincidence that this set of pictures shows up just as we've gotten our problem solved. I may send this to a couple folks (with stronger stomachs) on the distribution list. Thanks, Fish. And will, there's not a rollcage made that would withstand this kind of thing. An enclosed cab MIGHT handle it, but it looks to me like the machine was inverted before it struck the ground. It may not have been, but given the position of the body and the truck, it was certainly within 15 degrees. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

12-11-2007, 08:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
IdolGirl Tilted Location: Florida	Daaaayum...poor guy! How the hell did he manage that? I worked EMS for 9 plus years, and ran calls on all types of stuff where guts and brains were hanging out. But man, that was a mess! Last edited by IdolGirl; 12-11-2007 at 08:19 PM..

12-12-2007, 07:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
bobby Super Moderator Location: 18,000+ posts on TFP #1,2,3,4 and 5,but I'm not counting!	I'm not going to look at this thread.........! xoxoxoo __________________ "Life goes on,within you,and...with out you !" xoxoxoo

12-13-2007, 10:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	So.. I'm assuming the thing rolled on top of him or was he on it when it rolled over? __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

12-11-2007, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	That's horrible. Aren't role cages supposed to be rated to take quite a bit so as to avoid accidents like that?

12-11-2007, 05:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	This thread reminds me of the canadian public service commercials thread. I suspect this could have been avoided. Martin, good info, thanks.

12-12-2007, 07:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
owlbill Upright	Jesus, that is a rare sight indeed.

12-13-2007, 12:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bear Cub The Reverend Side Boob Location: Nofe Curolina	Pretty gross, but luckily I'm relatively desensitized to this kind of stuff. Something about seeing a biker's body strewn over a 100 yard span in front of your house as a child that kind of does that to you.

12-13-2007, 10:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bossnass Détente Location: AWOL in Edmonton	As far as I can tell, its a brand new machine. I would guess that it is 'fresh off the boat' and was being loaded onto the truck. The operator was driving the dozer (probably from a large sea canister) up onto the truck bed. A combination of operator error/weight distribution(lack of blade, etc)/loading wedges caused it to "pop a wheelie" all the way over.

12-14-2007, 01:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
MzNadia Upright	I feel sorry for the EMS worker! Do you guys know how difficult it is to uncurl a guy from that position once rigor has set in?

12-14-2007, 06:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	I have to admit, as safety coordinator at work I see some pretty bad videos/pictures of accidents....this one is just awful...poor guy __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

12-14-2007, 06:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	I have so many off color comments in my head... I just don't feel like spilling my guts right now... HA!! __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown