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Old 01-25-2004, 08:50 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Originally posted by filtherton
Yes, i know plenty of high school students who only need more shame. Then they'll get their shit together. Some, however, don't respond well to such motivational tools. Look at how well shame worked for dylan klebold and eric harris. I realize that their reaction was extreme. A lot of kids may just give up on school entirely, thinking that they aren't worth it when all they really needed was a different motivation. Some depressed kids might just feel even more worthless with the help of a little shame. This isn't to say that an honor roll has that much effect on a student, just that shame isn't always the best way to make people develop self confidence and healthy relationships with their peers.

p.s. ustwo, how long were you sitting on that carebears image? How long were you waiting for the perfect instance of compassionate liberalism to show your keen wit?

No. Kleibold and Harris had no shame.

And that was the problem.

And I did say "when properly used".


Have you never heard, "Have you no shame?"

The key is to tie shame to the bahavior that we want to discourage.

Like having poor study habits or mowing down your classmates in a hail of bullets.
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