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Sun Tzu · 09-13-2003, 12:22 PM

The bottom line is everyone is built genetically different so it can sometimes be a difficult task to truly know what the outcome is going to be. I did numerous cycles and the only adverse effects I had was an intermittent agressive nature and a sex drive that couldnt be satisfied. My gains far exceeded 5%. I was lifting weight amounts that frankly started to spook me a little.

I know someone else the got gyneco on their first cycle. Due to the fact that estrogen is needed to act as receptor site for testosterone this guy didnt want his estrogen lowered, and he paid the price.

Its the same deal with supplements some will work great on one person and not on another. To juice or not to juice gets into the rationale of the person. WHy does anyone lift? To be healthy? There are other ways to get healthy than tearing down muscle fibers. For performance? Nothing push-ups, dips, pull-ups, and sit-ups with a ruinning program wont do. For looks? Well now were getting into the terrority.

If anything is abused it leads to problems. Im just wondering what the mindset is about the final outcome. Is it the fear of dying 10 years to early? The misconception that package is going to shrink (which is not physically possible-except in cold water temporarily)

I would have to say the biggest fear a guy should have about them is the risk they take to get psychologicaly addicted. Make no mistake when a mnan is on testosterone his entrie outlook changes of the course of the cycle. By the third week he's feeling great. Physically; like never before, mentally; confidence to accomplish anything.

I not defending them in a way it may sound to some. Males shouldnt even consider then before 19. They have such a degree of GH and test already going its foolish to upset the natural building blocks. When a man reaches his late 30s to early 40s he experiences something similiar to a female menopause. Its called andropause. WHy not supplement with it.

As a matter of fact why take any supplements? Creatine (thats temporary), precursors, HMB, so on and so on.

Truly all a person need is a healthy diet right? I never understood why someone would take a shitload of supplements and call it natural. Its acutally more expensive to use supplements than to cycle. (THis ofcourse can vary though)

However if were talking deterence because of legal issues; thats entirely different. Nothing is worth going to jail for. I think its absurd they are classed the way they are though.

09-13-2003, 12:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	The bottom line is everyone is built genetically different so it can sometimes be a difficult task to truly know what the outcome is going to be. I did numerous cycles and the only adverse effects I had was an intermittent agressive nature and a sex drive that couldnt be satisfied. My gains far exceeded 5%. I was lifting weight amounts that frankly started to spook me a little. I know someone else the got gyneco on their first cycle. Due to the fact that estrogen is needed to act as receptor site for testosterone this guy didnt want his estrogen lowered, and he paid the price. Its the same deal with supplements some will work great on one person and not on another. To juice or not to juice gets into the rationale of the person. WHy does anyone lift? To be healthy? There are other ways to get healthy than tearing down muscle fibers. For performance? Nothing push-ups, dips, pull-ups, and sit-ups with a ruinning program wont do. For looks? Well now were getting into the terrority. If anything is abused it leads to problems. Im just wondering what the mindset is about the final outcome. Is it the fear of dying 10 years to early? The misconception that package is going to shrink (which is not physically possible-except in cold water temporarily) I would have to say the biggest fear a guy should have about them is the risk they take to get psychologicaly addicted. Make no mistake when a mnan is on testosterone his entrie outlook changes of the course of the cycle. By the third week he's feeling great. Physically; like never before, mentally; confidence to accomplish anything. I not defending them in a way it may sound to some. Males shouldnt even consider then before 19. They have such a degree of GH and test already going its foolish to upset the natural building blocks. When a man reaches his late 30s to early 40s he experiences something similiar to a female menopause. Its called andropause. WHy not supplement with it. As a matter of fact why take any supplements? Creatine (thats temporary), precursors, HMB, so on and so on. Truly all a person need is a healthy diet right? I never understood why someone would take a shitload of supplements and call it natural. Its acutally more expensive to use supplements than to cycle. (THis ofcourse can vary though) However if were talking deterence because of legal issues; thats entirely different. Nothing is worth going to jail for. I think its absurd they are classed the way they are though. __________________ *To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit.- Stephen Hawking* Last edited by Sun Tzu; 09-15-2003 at 03:59 PM..