| indeed tactics ogre came out first in japan.  i'm positive that vandal hearts came out later since it was a ps1 game.  the original ogre battle and tactics ogre were super famicom games.  or in the US the would have been super nintendo games.   alot of what i was trying to point out was a fully rotatable 3d environment.  that was one of the first games to show off that in a strategic fashion |