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Old 05-08-2009, 01:03 PM   #84 (permalink)
Willravel
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He has the racist problem of low expectations.
Stop calling me a racist. I know you're new here, so I was wiling to grant you latitude, but unless you can demonstrate racism to the objective reader, you're just name calling. TFP isn't a place for name calling.
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Again, he thinks blacks can not help themselves unless enlightened whites like himself give them the boost they need.
You're not reading my posts. I think that the poor live in circumstances that make success more difficult. I suggest allowing everyone to have the same circumstances, the same opportunity for success. You clearly have missed this and are assuming that I'm making a different argument.
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There is no debate in this topic, he won't hear any viewpoint other than that.
Read my posts, I'm reading, comprehending, considering and responding.
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Like Fredrick Douglas said, " Let the black man rise or fall on their own." Clearly wiltravel must think that Douglass is part of the problem...
That quote sounds nice on paper, but it is an oversimplification. All great quotes like this are oversimplifications. Black people aren't statistically more impoverished in a vacuum, there are real and numerous factors involved, and those factors must be addressed by all people, not just black people, because the ultimate consequences of those factors reach all people regardless of skin color.

Douglas, in that quote, was trying to inspire black people of that time to take responsibility for themselves, but that alone didn't cause the Emancipation Proclamation, did it? No, it was the combined efforts of many abolitionists, white and black, and a complex socio-political atmosphere as well as a civil war. These things take considerable effort, and those working for change need all the help they can get. I refuse to stop fighting because you think I'm somehow enabling weakness. I feel that I'm supporting the overall strength of the movement for social equality.

Edit: it's Willravel, as in Will (me) and Ravel.
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