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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
host, it's great to see you coming around and recognizing the tyranny and oppression that is utilized by the 'government', but have you thought about HOW effective a violent revolution will be without civilian access to standard military weaponry is going to be? has any of this changed your position on the gun control laws in this country? It is all well and good to be up in arms about violations of civil rights, but only if you can be up in arms about all of them, not just a select few.
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Ya know what? We know how you feel about this. I don't see any need to threadjack so many topics to try and bring them around to yet another fight about gun control. But here you make a pretty good point for me. There ISN'T a call to revolution even though there has been ample reason for it over the past 6 years. What does this tell us? Despite the fact that these people theoretically have the unabridged "right" to carry guns (you're still wrong about that btw) they're not using the guns for the reason that right was supposedly granted by the 2nd. Instead the guns are being used to rob convenience stores and kill people.
What can we learn from this? Simple: The people as a whole cannot be trusted to have guns unless they are in a well regulated organization. Not a gang, but an actual well-regulated body who's purpose is to keep the government in line. You are clearly on the other side of this fence. You seem to support the senseless murder of thousands as a necessary consequence of maintaining this disorganized general-public-"control" over the government - A control that we have proven to you dozens of times does not exist and cannot exist because the government will always have more, better, and more powerful weapons than the people can possibly acquire.
You might be able to find a receptive audience among the idiots over at bladeforums.com, but then those guys seem to be firmly convinced that one guy with a desert eagle can take on the world. We here at TFP tend not to have such Rambo complexes.
But since anyone who supplies a voice of reason or even dares to question the 2nd is banned from that site, I think you'll find a much friendlier crowd to your way of thinking. A way of thinking that is, quite frankly, wrongheaded and delusional. The people cannot now and never will be able to overthrow this government until they follow the 2nd amendment to the letter - form a well-regulated militia that has the financial resources to buy some decent weaponry, because you and and other protectors-of-our-rights aren't going to do crap with your popguns.
And before you bring up Koresh, please consider that when I say "well-regulated" I don't mean "quasi-religious nut who thinks he's the 2nd coming of Jesus and rapes little girls," and neither did the framers of the constitution.
Now can we please get back to what we were discussing before you jacked the thread?