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Originally Posted by Intense1
So what you're saying, ustwo, is that Al Gore is basically potentially full of crap, is that it? Hey, we Tennesseans have known that for years - that's why we didn't put him over the top in 2000! 
I am like most Americans and don't have a true in-depth knowledge of the science of climate activity, but I do know enough to realize that when dueling apologists appear, one doesn't pick one's side before fully checking out the information presented by both. Pity the rest of America is so indoctrinated to believe the doom's day theory of "global warming" over Sen. Imhoffe's. Especially when his arguement has been so well presented. (Yes, I read it all)
Edited to state: Just because an argument comes from someone who is in a political party that one doesn't espouse doesn't mean that this view point isn't valid, Host and Roachboy. Pardon me for saying, but it appears that the two of you seem to discount any argument that doesn't fit in with your view of how you see the world. You just want to put down what doesn't fit with your views. That's your right - just as it's my right to give my view.  |
I would be interested in reading your own assessment of the consequences for Tenn. and the U.S., of your voting decisions (of candidates for federal elected offices), over the span of the last thirty years.
With regard to the issue of global warming, as in our earlier debate about the consequences of Tenn.'s support for Bush instead of Gore in 2000, I've "followed the money"......there is a signifigant longterm, monetary cost because a Tenn. voting majority backed Bush in 2000, and not Gore. The signifigant sums expended to counter the opinions of mainstream science about the threat from global warming have come from business interests fighting a perceived threat to their bottomline:
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/sto...2612021&page=1
Senators to Exxon: Stop the Denial
By CLAYTON SANDELL
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27, 2006 — ExxonMobil should stop funding groups that have spread the idea that global warming is a myth and that try to influence policymakers to adopt that view, two senators said today in a letter to the oil company.
In their letter to ExxonMobil chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson, Sens. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., appealed to Exxon's sense of corporate responsibility, asking the company to "come clean about its past denial activities."
The two senators called on ExxonMobil to "end any further financial assistance" to groups "whose public advocacy has contributed to the small but unfortunately effective climate change denial myth."
Phone calls to ExxonMobil were not immediately returned to ABC News.
An upcoming study from the Union of Concerned Scientists reported that ExxonMobil funded 29 climate change denial groups in 2004 alone. Since 1990, the report said, the company has spent more than $19 million funding groups that promote their views through publications and Web sites that are not peer reviewed by the scientific community.
The senators singled out the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a Washington think tank, and <b>the Tech Central Station Web site</b> as beneficiaries of Exxon's efforts to sow doubt within the public about the scientific consensus behind global warming.
"We are convinced that ExxonMobil's long-standing support of a small cadre of global climate change skeptics, and those skeptics' access to and influence on government policymakers, have made it increasingly difficult for the United States to demonstrate the moral clarity it needs across all facets of its diplomacy," the letter said.
The letter said ExxonMobil's efforts to confuse haven't worked everywhere.
"It has failed miserably in confusing, much less convincing, the legitimate scientific community," the senators wrote......
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"tech central station" has changed it's name to TCSdaily.com and last month, announced the sale of that site to it's editor, Nich Schulz, formerly employed by foxnews....
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...onfessore.html
December 2003
Meet the Press
How James Glassman reinvented journalism--as lobbying.
By Nicholas Confessore
.......As a writer and public figure, Glassman has, over time, aligned his views with those of the business interests that dominate K Street and support the Republican Party; he has also increasingly taken aggressive positions on one side or another of intra-industry debates, rather like a corporate lobbyist. Nowhere is this more apparent than on TCS, where Glassman and his colleagues have weighed in on everything from which telecommunications technologies should be the most heavily regulated to whether Microsoft is a threat to other software companies.
<b>But TCS doesn't just act like a lobbying shop. It's actually published by one--the DCI Group, a prominent Washington "public affairs" firm specializing in P.R., lobbying, and so-called "Astroturf" organizing, generally on behalf of corporations, GOP politicians,</b> and the occasional Third-World despot. The two organizations share most of the same owners, some staff, and even the same suite of offices in downtown Washington, a block off K Street. As it happens, many of DCI's clients are also "sponsors" of the site it houses. TCS not only runs the sponsors' banner ads; its contributors aggressively defend those firms' policy positions, on TCS and elsewhere.
James Glassman and TCS have given birth to something quite new in Washington: journo-lobbying. It's an innovation driven primarily by the influence industry. ......
.......The articles on Tech Central Station address a broad range of issues, some of concern to its sponsors, many not. And most of the site's authors are no doubt merely voicing opinions they have already reached. <b>But time and time again, TCS's coverage of particular issues has had the appearance of a well-aimed P.R. blitz. After ExxonMobil became a sponsor, for instance, the site published a flurry of content attacking both the Kyoto accord to limit greenhouse gasses and the science of global warming--which happen to be among Exxon-Mobil's chief policy concerns in Washington.</b>
TCS's articles have also complemented work being done by DCI...........
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Here is what Richard Mellon Scaife's "fish wrap" weighed in with:
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_480324.html
Monday, November 20, 2006
A letter about global warming from two U.S. senators to CEO Rex W. Tillerson, chairman the Exxon Mobil Corp., could have a chilling effect on free speech and free thinking.
In their crude attempt to replace rational thought with group-think, Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., and Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, want ExxonMobil and any other past corporate sponsor of the "denial" campaign to stop funding organizations that don't blame mankind for Earth's latest warming trend and "to foster greater understanding of the necessity of action on a truly global scale before it is too late."
Mr. Rockefeller and Mrs. Snowe clearly hope to monopolize the debate about the possible causes of global warming. Yes, some scientists accuse humans. But other scientists claim warming and cooling simply are characteristics of this planet, man notwithstanding. And there are many more who have other theories or remain undecided.
But will others be heard if Rockefeller and Snowe silence anyone who might not agree with them? Why are they so threatened by any other hypothesis?
Man's mind was not created to be chained. Solutions come from comprehension -- not coercion. Reason does not need bullies to silence the irrational. Truth speaks for itself.
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Scaife's newspaper couldn't disputed the points in the bipartisan Snowe Rockefeller letter....so it accused Rockefeller and Snowe of hoping to "monopolize the debate about global warming". It is a debate where one side is funded by the fossil fuel industry......
Intense1, the theme of the majority of my posts is the question, "how do you know what you know?" While you were receptive to the "values centric" message of the candidates who you voted for, I was "following the money", and......I can assure you....so were the candidates who you voted for.
On most issues that you've posted about, your positions are "in synch" with those of Richard Mellon Scaife and L. Brent Bozell III. The former has spent a lot of money, and the latter, a lot of effort, to achieve that result.
If for no other reason, and there are many, IMO.....it would serve you well to examine what is up, with that.
Last edited by host; 11-20-2006 at 10:52 AM..
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