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Originally Posted by Seaver
....Sorry if I disagree. Your suggestions that Bush planned the attacks on 9/11 or the "Is Bush a Plant?" hold absolutely no water in comparison to the #2 man in the Iraqi Air Force.
So you state it's a "settled matter". What if the documentation comes out stating that the weapons were moved? What if the pilots themselves come out and say they piloted the planes?
What would it take for you to believe that there is validity to this? The other ones moved to Paranoia because they were written by crackpots, I'd start to believe your threads if they were posted by a high ranking General/Admiral in our military.
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I'll share what has answered, for me, why no reputable news media outlet will "touch" "Vice Marshall Air" Georges Sada's <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200602%5CSPE20060202a.html">"WMD transfer via 56 sorties to Syria aboard 2 "converted" Iraqi Airline, passenger planes, a 747 and a 727."</a>
I believe that, as a group, we would take a leap forward if we could reach a consensus, as to whether this topic can support it's own weight..
<b>[1]</b>Georges Sada was "retired" from the Iraqi military, for at least 11 years before his WMD transfer story took place in latter 2002.
<b>[2]</b>Sada and his story seem to be a "product" of a fundamentalist christian centric, propaganda "Op", that is intended to dovetail with a conservative political goal to keep the WMD "door open", in an attempt to hold that 30 plus percent of the still "faithful", from abandoning hope that the left will be proven wrong about accusations of Bush "lying us into a war". I find it "odd" that Georges Sada is featured as a "speaker" by the agancy that sells his "services"...as you can see...he's part of a well known roster of clients.
<b>[3]</b>This quote from Sada, during his most recent service to Iraq, might even give pause to those who vouch for his WMD transfer claims:
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"If [a guerrilla] was in opposition against the Americans, that will be justified because it was an occupation force," the spokesman, Georges Sada, said yesterday. "We will give them freedom."
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<b>[4]</b>Sada's book publisher, http://www.integritypublishers.com was recently duped by a fraudster and scam artist "book author" who impersonated a psychologist. The California state professional board and the FTC seem to validate the accusations made by professor Gary Adams, against the "Integrity" published title, "Discover Your Child’s DQ Factor" author Greg Cynaumon, and the lack of cooperation in response to the fraud, by Integrity publisher, Joey Paul. Integrity exclusively publishes christian themed books, including three titles by Pat Robertson. All of these observations, topped by Sada's eleven year retirement, plus his lack of direct knowledge of the events that he is the lone promoter of, makes it impossible for me to move into a discussion of "what if" Sada is right about the 56 "sorties" to Syria.
<b>[5]</b>Relevant excerpt from the March 2005 Duelfer report to the CIA director.
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http://www.google.com/custom?q=sada&...rch=ocms.ac.uk
http://72.14.203.104/custom?q=cache:...k&cd=1&ie=UTF-
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<b>Oxford Centre for Mission Studies</b>
The vast majority of Iraqis supported the coalition forces in their liberation of Iraq, insistsGeorges Sada, head of the International Centre for Reconciliation in Iraq....
......Sada, head of the International Centre for Reconciliation in Iraq, was ‘retired’ from the Army in 1991. In the first gulf war he had responsibility for prisoners of war but disobeyed direct orders from Saddam’s younger son Qusay, to execute Kuwaiti, British and American prisoners. He was thrown into prison later and is thankful to this day that his own life was not taken.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...02/wsadd02.xml
Saddam's son 'tried to have pilots executed'
BY Philip Sherwell in Baghdad
(Filed: 02/05/2004)
....Last week Mr Sada, an ethnic Assyrian and one of Iraq's leading lay Christians, revealed how Qusay paid an unexpected visit to the air force's emergency headquarters in a Baghdad bunker about a week after the air war started on January 17, 1991.....
...Mr Sada, once one of Iraq's top fighter pilots, already had a reputation for speaking his mind. He was forced to "retire" from the air force in 1986 for refusing to join the Ba'ath Party, only to be recalled in August 1990 after Saddam invaded Kuwait.
His intervention saved the foreign aircrew, but ended his air force career for the second time.
"I was detained at the end of January and then told I was being retired a few days later," he said. "It was made clear
that this was because I had stood up to Qusay."
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<b>[2]</b>
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http://www.ambassadoragency.com/aboutus.cfm
Ambassador is the oldest and most established Christian-based talent agency in the United States. The company was founded in 1973 by Wes Yoder to represent many of the emerging contemporary Christian music artists. During the next ten years Ambassador became the premiere agency for Christian musicians and artists.
Ambassador Speakers Bureau, (established in 1984) provides speakers for special program events nationwide. We are the leading provider of speakers for the Christian and faith-based community and conduct a thriving business providing speakers to university, education, non-profit, political and business meetings......
http://www.ambassadoragency.com/cate...tegories_id/20
Display Speakers by 'Political' Category
Gary Bauer
Gary Bauer, a 2000 Republican presidential contender and former Domestic Policy Advisor to President Ronald Reagan. Gary is one of America's most well-known and leading voices for conservatism.
Janet Folger
Janet L. Folger is the President and Founder of Faith2Action, created to WIN the cultural war by working TOGETHER with the most effective organizations on the side of faith and family.
Ambassador Alan Keyes
Ambassador Alan Keyes, candidate for the 2000 Republican Presidential nomination and Founder and Chairman of the Board of The Declaration Foundation. Noted author and speaker on foreign policy issues as well as the host of his own radio talk show.
David Limbaugh - David is a nationally syndicated columnist with Creators Syndicate and involved in entertainment, business, and contract law. David Limbaugh David is a nationally syndicated columnist with Creators Syndicate and involved in entertainment, business, and contract law.
Chief Justice Roy Moore
Former Chief Justice Roy Moore, known as The Ten Commandments Judge, of Alabama, was removed from office for refusing to move a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Supreme Court building.
Janet Parshall
Parshall is the host of JANET PARSHALL'S AMERICA, a 3 hour nationally syndicated program from Washington D.C. that is one of the only conservative talk shows in America hosted by a woman. She speaks often on public policy issues that impact the family.
<a href="http://generalgeorgessada.ambassadoragency.com/client_profile.cfm/cid/1225?categories_id=20">General Georges Sada</a> - As an insider in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, General Georges Sada exposed plans to destroy Israel, hide WMDs and control the Arab World. General Sada defied and survived Saddam Hussein and is the author of Saddam's Secrets.
Judge Kenneth Starr
Judge Kenneth Starr is Dean of Pepperdine Law School and is a partner with the law firm of Kirkland & Ellis, P.C., specializing in appellate work.
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http://www.washtimes.com/world/20040...5306-8230r.htm
Iraq ponders amnesty for insurgents
By Jim Krane
ASSOCIATED PRESS
BAGHDAD — Less than a week after taking power, Iraq's prime minister is considering offering amnesty to insurgents and could extend it to those who killed American troops, in an apparent bid to lure Saddam Hussein's loyalists from their campaign of violence.
......."If [a guerrilla] was in opposition against the Americans, that will be justified because it was an occupation force," the spokesman, Georges Sada, said yesterday. "We will give them freedom."
Choking the brutal 14-month insurgency is the No. 1 priority of Mr. Allawi's government, and the prime minister is expected to make a number of security-related policy announcements in coming days. They also include the resurrection of Iraq's death penalty and an emergency law that sets curfews in Iraq's trouble spots, Mr. Sada said.
The amnesty plan is still in the works. A full pardon for insurgents who killed Americans is not a certainty, Mr. Sadasaid. Mr. Allawi's main goal is to "start everything from new" by giving a second chance to rebel fighters who hand in their weapons and throw their weight behind the new government........
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http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1
Libel case pits huckster against professor
A California man who promoted diet pills and a phonics game is suing a George Fox professor
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
CHRISTINE DELLERT
A California man who promoted a widely advertised diet aid has filed an $11 million suit against a George Fox University professor, claiming that the professor's Web site attacking his credibility has damaged his reputation and ability to make a living.
Greg Cynaumon, former spokesman for the diet pill sold as CortiSlim, says in a suit filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court that professor Gary Adams has unfairly characterized his career as a television pitchman for the weight-loss
supplement and an educational program called "The Phonics Game."......
.......Calling the Web site "Internet terrorism," Cynaumon said he objects to Adams posting his picture on the site along with accusations that he's a liar.
"You can't just say what you want about people to further your agenda," he said.
Adams' personal Web site -- www.edresearch.com -- links users to last year's Federal Trade Commission's complaint against CortiSlim. On the site, he offers to pay the Better Business Bureau $1 million if Cynaumon can prove the diet pills work and also prove his published claims to be a marriage therapist, school psychologist and sociologist . Cynaumon isn't licensed as any of those professions in California. ........
.........Last October, the FTC charged Cynaumon's firm, Infinity Advertising Inc., and another Los Angeles-area marketer,
Window Rock Enterprises Inc., with falsely saying CortiSlim can cause weight loss. According to the FTC suit, CortiSlim ds were claiming virtually anyone taking the pill would lose 10 to 50 pounds, dropping four to 10 pounds a week over multiple weeks. The case is still pending, FTC officials said.
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/09/windowrock.htm
http://www.edresearch.com/IntergrityShame.htm
<b>Integrity Publishers
The publisher of Discover Your Child’s DQ Factor</b>
Integrity Publishers is also the publisher of books by well-known Christian authors such as <a href="http://www.integritypublishers.com/dept_browse.asp?deptid=22">Pat Robertson</a>, Max Lucado, Frank Peretti, and George Barna.
After the original report was posted on March 4, 2003, I contacted Integrity Publishers to inform them that Greg Cynaumon had duped them. I received a return phone call from Joey Paul, the publisher and senior vice president of Integrity Publishers. I told him about my report and that Mr. Cynaumon was not a psychologist, marriage and family therapist, or radio talk show host. Also, I told him that it was clear that Mr. Cynaumon had fabricated the study described in the book that his company published. Mr. Paul said that he would read my report and act accordingly.
After waiting two months, I contacted Joey Paul again. When I asked why the book was still on the market when it was clear that Mr. Cynaumon is not who he said he is and he had conducted the described study in their book. His response was, “I have nothing to talk to you about.” When I asked why not, he again repeated that he would not talk to me.
Recently, Mr. Cynaumon was required by the California Boards of Psychology and Behavioral Sciences to inform his publishers that he is not a psychologist or marriage and family therapist. However, as of September 29, 2004, they are still selling his book almost six months after they learned that Mr. Cynaumon is a fraud.......
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...04/addenda.pdf
Comprehensive Report
Addendums to the
of the Special Advisor to the DCI on
Iraq’s WMD
March 2005
Prewar Movement of WMD
Material Out of Iraq (page 4)
ISG was unable to complete its investigation and
is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was
evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be
noted that no information from debriefi ng of Iraqis
in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no
senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who
admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of
WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge
of residual WMD that could have been secreted to
Syria.....
.......It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to
fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely
that conclusive information would have been found.
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