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Old 03-17-2006, 05:11 PM   #65 (permalink)
shakran
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
according to the 1994 FBI report '“Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted”, police were twice as likely to be killed with their own weapon.
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A gun CAN, notice i said CAN, improve the odds in your favor. Not sure how it would make you LESS safe.

Do you not read your own posts? If a cop can have his gun taken away from him and get shot with it, a civilian certainly can. That's how it would make you LESS safe.

But then you also mentioned that in the $50 situation you'd pull your gun, which frankly is a pretty stupid move. You pull a gun that close to someone and you're BEGGING them to take it away from you. I'm starting to really wonder if you ever actually have been in a self defense situation. Those of us who have know that posturing with weapons is stupid, and would never try it.

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Whether you're assaulted by bat, gun, or knife and you are unarmed, you are at the assaulters mercy.
Total bullshit. back in my retail days, I've been threatened by a shoplifter with a knife. I disarmed him, then held him till the cops got there. I was not at his mercy, he was at mine. Just because someone has a weapon doesn't mean they know how to use it, or even to keep possession of it. And I'm damn lucky that the shoplifter was an idiot, because a REAL knife fighter would never have pulled it out and waved it menacingly at me, giving me the chance I needed to take the damn thing. A REAL knife fighter would've stabbed me without EVER showing me the knife. Which is why you are proving my point with every post you make. If you're attacked by someone with a weapon, and they actually KNOW how to use it, you are not going to have time to pull your gun, take the safety off, aim, and fire. You'll already be stabbed 5 times. And if he has a gun, he has the drop on you. He's already got his out and aimed before you pull yours. You lose. Period. The gun is NOT going to help you unless he's an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing. And as I've proven, you don't always need a weapon yourself when you're up against someone like that.


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I refer to a previous post by you where you claim your 'faith' would prevent you from taking a life. I can only assume that you would rather die at the hands of a murderer than to take his life. Tell me I'm wrong.
Well I dunno about him, but my faith doesn't stop me from killing anyone, and if someone's trying to kill me, he'd better be successful or he's going to die. Yet I still don't carry a gun. Why? Because in all my years I've NEVER needed one. I don't even shoot them recreationally. And I don't have time to train well enough with them to be effective with them. I'd rather rely on my intelligence (don't go in the bad neighborhoods if I don't have to, avoid potential crime situations in the first place) and martial arts skills for my survival.

And I also call total and utter bullshit on your premise that arming everyone makes everyone safe. You having a gun does not make me safe at ALL. Especially after reading your discussions on how you would use the gun in various situations.
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