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Originally Posted by willravel
Had I shot at the guy, he wouldn't have cut me off.
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or he could have run you off the road in fear of his life. a ridiculous example.
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IF you open your wallet and obviously grab all the cash you have...they won't think I have more. What if they want my watch? Fine, take it. Shoes? Sure, whatever. I don't carry anything on my person that's so valueable that I will threaten his or her life.
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and in some cases STILL hasn't stopped the murder afterwards.
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Prove I'm wrong, don't just write "wrong".
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http://www.crimedoctor.com/homeinvasion.htm
an interesting read.
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Originally Posted by willravel
No one's forcing odds on anyone. The odds exist. It's that simple. How much does a gun cost versus a security door?
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Home invasions occur a number of ways. Criminals are starting to specialize in home invasions as well. Some imitate police and act like they are executing search warrants. Others cut phone lines, which also disable alarms. A gun can cost around $150. How much is the security system, doors, bars on windows, motion detectors?
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I'm glad you brought that up. I'm a part of our society, and so are you. They are responsible for me and you and the rest of society.
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it assumes a duty only to the public at large and
not to individual members of the community what part of that did you miss?
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So? You said: "All the while, the bad guys have free reign to take whatever they want." That means that cops do nothing. Did you know that sometimes criminals end up in jail? Did you know that the 150,000 police officers on duty don't all have their thumbs up their asses? 'Bad guys' do not have free reign. BESIDES, if someone is in my house taking crap, I don't care. Sio long as my wife and daughter are safe, nothing else matters. I can go without a TV or a computer. Even with a gun, is it a good idea to posture in a home invasion scenereo? What if you miss and he returns fire? What if he fires first and hits you? What if a stray bullet hits a member of your family? Your best bet is to do what you can to keep the home invader away from your family.
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not ALL home invaders are interested in just robbery. A sizable percentage have much more serious crimes on their mind. If you train, you don't miss and if you DO miss, most of the time the invaders will flee upon hearing someone other than themselves shoot. On the chance that you have one of the more fearless kind on your hands,
Like this darwin award nominee who states "he was a big boy and that 'I think I could take 'em,'" when told he could have been shot, have alot of ammo.
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OMG! You have said that you are willing to take steps to protect your family from danger, odds me damned. Now I say the same thing in order to turn your argument around on you, and you don't get it? Do home invaders pose a risk? Yes, but a negligable one. Do guns in homes pose a risk? Yes, but a negligable one. Do you understand?
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yes, I understand that you'll put the odds in favor of the home invader not doing anything to you/your family instead of the odds in your favor should they try.
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I don't know what kind of adult my daughter will grow up to be, but I hope she would respect that fact that I made the ultimate sacrafice without any serious regrets.
If I can't justify the killing to myself, then it's an unjustified killing; murder. 'Thou shalt not murder' is pretty straight forward.
If you're going off the bible for your directions about killing: the bible also says that it's okay to murder for reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night.
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If you've actually read/studied the bible and the teachings of christ, you'd know that your life is a gift from god and to not honor/protect that gift is an affront to god. You are seriously misinterpeting 'thou shalt not murder' to also mean 'thou shalt not defend thy life'. in your mind, is there any justified killing? would killing dahmer or gacy, before they had a chance to harm as many as they did, be justified? hitler? stalin? the BTK killer? how about mcveigh?