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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Will that gun protect you from a car crash? obviously not, but it COULD protect you from/during a carjacking.
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Had I shot at the guy, he wouldn't have cut me off.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
IF, and thats a big IF, I can spare money easily, i'll give it to them, however, not all criminals will just take what you give them and leave IF they think you have more. I read news stories every day how people are shot first then robbed, or robbed and then shot to prevent witnesses, or robbed and shot because the robber didn't get enough. You may think me selfish when I say this, but so be it, my life is more important than the guy/girl who's trying to rob me/shoot me, because without me, my family suffers.
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IF you open your wallet and obviously grab all the cash you have...they won't think I have more. What if they want my watch? Fine, take it. Shoes? Sure, whatever. I don't carry anything on my person that's so valueable that I will threaten his or her life.
[QUOTE=dksuddeth]You'd be wrong, hopefully not dead wrong.
Show me I'm wrong.
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again, wrong.
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Prove I'm wrong, don't just write "wrong".
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fine, but does that give you the right to force those odds on me?
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No one's forcing odds on anyone. The odds exist. It's that simple. How much does a gun cost versus a security door?
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Fact: Tell that to 18,209 murder victims, 497,950 robbery victims, and 96,122 rape victims that the police could not help.
Fact: The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals. In Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: `Courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.' Well, except for politicians that receive taxpayer-financed
bodyguards.
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I'm glad you brought that up. I'm a part of our society, and so are you. They are responsible for me and you and the rest of society.
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Fact: There are not enough police to protect everyone. Currently, there are about 150,000 police officers on duty at any one time.
• This is on-duty police. This includes desk clerks, command sergeants, etc. –
far fewer than 150,000 cops are cruising your neighborhood.
• There are approximately 271,933,702 people living in the United States.
• Thus there is only one on-duty cop for every 1,813 citizens!
Fact: Former Florida Attorney General Jim Smith told Florida legislators that police responded to only 200,000 of 700,000 calls for help to Dade County authorities.
Fact: The United States Department of Justice found that, in 1989, there were 168,881 crimes of violence for which police had not responded within 1 hour.
Fact: 95% of the time police arrive too late to prevent a crime or arrest the suspect.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Do I really? I don't doubt that most every cop out there WANTS to protect everyone. It's that feasibly they cannot.
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So? You said: "All the while, the bad guys have free reign to take whatever they want." That means that cops do nothing. Did you know that sometimes criminals end up in jail? Did you know that the 150,000 police officers on duty don't all have their thumbs up their asses? 'Bad guys' do not have free reign. BESIDES, if someone is in my house taking crap, I don't care. Sio long as my wife and daughter are safe, nothing else matters. I can go without a TV or a computer. Even with a gun, is it a good idea to posture in a home invasion scenereo? What if you miss and he returns fire? What if he fires first and hits you? What if a stray bullet hits a member of your family? Your best bet is to do what you can to keep the home invader away from your family.
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you already do, you've said this yourself.
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OMG! You have said that you are willing to take steps to protect your family from danger, odds me damned. Now I say the same thing in order to turn your argument around on you, and you don't get it? Do home invaders pose a risk? Yes, but a negligable one. Do guns in homes pose a risk? Yes, but a negligable one. Do you understand?
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take this with every bit of sarcasm you can imagine, but i'll bet your daughter will be proud to know that her father died NOT being a killer....as she grows up without one.
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I don't know what kind of adult my daughter will grow up to be, but I hope she would respect that fact that I made the ultimate sacrafice without any serious regrets.
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Luke 22:36 - He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
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If I can't justify the killing to myself, then it's an unjustified killing; murder. 'Thou shalt not murder' is pretty straight forward.
If you're going off the bible for your directions about killing: the bible also says that it's okay to murder for reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night.