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Originally Posted by pan6467
Back on topic, when private companies can use our government to spy on and label protesters against it as "terrorists"..... then we have truly lost sight of what the tru terroristic enemy is.
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My definition is narrow. I do not consider protesters terrorist. Suicide bombers are.
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Now we are defining terrorists to be anyone who wants to change the system and is willing to demonstrate legally the need for such change.
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Others may, I don't. I have no problem with people willing to fight for what they believe in. Example, I have no problem with people from Mexico willing to risk their lives and their freedom for the betterment of their lives and the lives of their loved ones. I do have a problem with people who want me and my loved ones dead. Dead for no other reason than who I am. That is a big, difference. I have respect for one and would fight the other.
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That's not a partisan issue, it's an issue of freedom and our liberties.
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Agreed. Freedom and our liberties are at risk. I just think there are risks greater than those involving "domestic spying". I am saddened that people don't focus on the real risks. Think about it - we live in a country were a responsible adult can't smoke weed in his own home. Even if doctor ordered - this person risks going to prison, and loosing everything to the government, but we focus on the pentegon listening to phone call of known terrorists. Perhaps I have fallen throught the looking glass, or have entered the twilight zone.
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Once we lose sight of who we truly are fighting we become as bad as those we are fighting.... worse because we have sold ourselves out.
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Yes it is sad. I am conservative and liberals fight me. They think I am stupid, blind, brain-washed, etc, etc. Yes I will defend Bush and the GOP, but I also call them when they are wrong.
I know who our enemy is, do you? When terrorists say they want us dead, and they act on it, that makes them my enemy. If they leave us alone we will leave them alone. If they attack us, we attack them. Screw holding hands, singing songs, and UN initiatives, I have no tollerence for real threats against my life and my family.
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You claim FDR was wrong.... ok. But then you say that the Pentagon spying on legal demonstrators is ok?????
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Almost everyone agrees that what happend with the internment camps went too far.
If people are going to "demonstrate" they should expect someone to pay attention. If you carry a sign saying you want to kill Bush, how could you possibly expect that the CIA, FBI, pentegon not to spy on you? Give me some kind of reality check, perhaps I am screwed up.
Tell me the truth. I you had a neighbor who was telling people he was goning to kill you and your family, you wouldn't do some 'domestic spying' if you could? You wouldn't take preemptive action if you thought the threat credible? You wouldn't act even if law enforcement wouldn't? You would wait until after the fact before responding aggressively?
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You claim FDR abused his power by having internment camps...... yet the vocal people in your party claim McCarthy's Red Witch Hunts were ok.
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I don't say McCarthy's witch hunts were o.k. I don't know anyone who does. Today most people agree it was wrong. Abuse of power is a real concern. Bush has done nothing that I am aware of, that comes anywhere close to what some others have done in the past. Including democrats, like Kennedy, Bay of Pigs; Johnson, Vietnam.
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And now you are saying it is ok to label people as terrorists because they demonstrate and speak out..... not against government even but private companies?????
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Don't think I ever said anything even close to that. I am not a good typist but if you read somthing I wrote that remotely sounds like that, show me. It must of been a typo. Either that, or you feel responding to what I actually write is not good enough and you have to make stuff up.
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Yet all is right in the Bush world, this is acceptable and not abuse of power or selling the people's rights and freedoms away??????Wow.
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Over the past few weeks I have pointed out real threats to liberty, real problems with the GOP and Bush's administration, but you still say that. Sounds like you are having difficulties following what I write. I guess I have a problem with communicating, I 'll work on that.
