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					Originally Posted by analog
					
				 
				I didn't bring up absolution because 1.) not every religion has the catholic "I'm sorry, please forgive me", "get out of hell free" card and 2.) suicides can't ask forgiveness, so i was ignoring it for murders. 
			
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ummm, why can't suicides ask for forgiveness? At least for our argument "dead" doesn't mean no longer existing.