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Originally Posted by analog
And speaking of the "pendulum", keep in mind that "fat", not overweight or chunky, but FAT used to be considered as the societal "hottie". It meant wealth, sophistication, intelligence. Today, the societal norm of "hottie" is more around the slender, athletic build. I happen to love a woman who is voluptuous, more what you all in this thread would refer to as "real". Also keep in mind that opinion is here in the states... it doesn't apply everywhere, universally.
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Amen, brother.
That's why I particularly like "Will and Grace." While on the outside, it appears to be another rendition of 'Pretty People with Problems,' it actually presents us with imagery contrary to those we see in "fat man, skinny wife" shows.
Will and Jack are both well-kempt, attractive gay men. and while not all gay men are careful about their appearance, the vast majority of
my experience with gay guys is of that.
The stronger part of this argument comes from Karen and Grace, however. Grace, while attractive, isn't mind-numbingly 'hot,' and they show easily identifies things about her they can poke fun of; most notably, and most ant-establishment? Her small boobs. Why on earth is she on TV if her tits aren't
at least 36C? Karen, on the other hand, revels in her boob size, but that doesn't exclude the fact that while I do find
Karen mind-numbingly hot, it's precisely because while she may have big breasts, she does
not have a 16 inch waist. She's gorgeous, and hot, in the very classic way Analog spoke of.
In closing? Less clowns, more Karens