There's a quote by Franklin. One of the members around here has it as a sig.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
Iraq is an example of liberty - with no order. Do you like what you are seeing?
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There are many counterexamples, that is to say, countries with order and no liberty. Nazi Germany, Stalinist USSR, China, on and on. Either liberty or order without the other is a failure. That does not invalidate the importance or need for either. I am no less horrified by a police state than anarchy. But if we must swing the balance in the favor of one or the other, I'll take liberty any day.