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4 if you don't count process/refresh time. I'm glad to see there are many in here with such an optimistic point of view of the nature of our politics forum. The fact is, it's headed downhill quite a bit.

We don't just exist to be a board, not just to be a community, but to be the community that others could never be, and to be the board that everyone else dreams of being. That, dear members, is the nature of the whole of the TFP.

What we have here is a portion of our beloved community enagaged in a battle of wits and quips where ideas are supposed to inspire, cause insight, and promote thinking, just like everywhere else. Somehow, though, this area is wrought with grief, anger, and childish name-calling.

When this much upset goes on in the Tilted Politics section, it trickles down in malicious little rivulets to the other forums, where the name-calling and immaturity blow up more quickly and spread out further into the general population.

We cannot have the muddy waters of the Politics forum infesting the rest of the board. What we're talking about here is the clean-up needed to restore the level of decorum, respect, and maturity expected and required of all members of the TFP.

If we have to, we will give time-outs as though you were children, in the form of temporary bans. If you act like a child, we will treat you like one. Stay a child, and you'll be sent away from the grown-ups table permanently.

My regular schedule just got freed up a lot, so I'm going to be back in business in here. Happy posting!