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Old 02-09-2005, 11:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
Incosian
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Whew...here we go.

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Where was this Palestinian land? There never was an established sovereign Palestinian state.
Like the previous poster said, land and state are entirely different concepts. How could there have been a state? There were NO states before Britain created them (they were provinces under the Ottoman Empire), and Palestine was referred to as Syria Palęstina.

To adress your point further, please read the following:

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In 1917, the British captured the region from the Ottoman Empire and called it Palestine/Eretz Israel (both had equal status as official names), after the longstanding Roman name for the area, Syria-Palestina and historical Palestine name Eretz Israel. This came at a time of renewed interest in the country among the European powers, Arab nationalists, and Jewish Zionists, who sought to reestablish their ancient homeland there. Competition between the latter two groups came to a head immediately after World War II, when Zionist claims gained greater urgency after the murder of almost six million Jews in the Holocaust. The Zionists demanded an independent homeland to absorb the Jewish refugees from Europe; the local Palestinian Arab population, today known as just Palestinians, argued that they played no role in the Holocaust, so the refugee problem should not be resolved at their expense.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

That is the Palestinian land I refer to...the land Israel now currently controls and viciously segregates from the neighboring communities.


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THen the Palestinians further fucked up by allowing Arab armies in to crush the Israeli state, serves them right that the Arab's got the snot kicked out of them and The Palestinians are left without out a country.
Do you know the context of what you speak? The British government is to blame for this as well. They proposed the area of Palestine become divided into a "Jewish" and an "Arab" state. The local Palestinians and other surrounding Arab countries (Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, countries created by the Brits) rejected this proposal, while the Jewish population accepted it. One of the stipulations of that proposal was cooperation from BOTH sides, not a unilateral effort by the Jews...
The result was the creation of a Jewish state in the heart of many Arabs' homeland (containing one of the most holy cities in Islam).

The Arabs defended themselves from a British-sanctioned occupation of their land.

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The Israeli's have as much a right to be there as the Palestinians, It's their home too.
This is a much larger discussion, but regardless of whether or not the land *originally* belonged to them, the Jewish community had no right to evict the Palestinians from their home.

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Then you get the Arabs picking a fight, again, getting stomped, again. Israel tried to negotiate the territories, but the Arab's never wanted peace, they wanted the total destruction of Israel.
No. While the Arab Palestinians certainly used violent aggression, the Israeli's were no less guilty. They also had a "terrorist" organization named Etzel, and did not further the peace process like you suggest. In another light, two wrongs don't make a right, if you want to view what happened as 'wrong'. This all occurred during the Great Uprising from 1936-39 (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...e_of_Palestine).

Some of the more militant Jews even advocated an alliance with Nazi Germany and Italy, believing it would further their cause in the Palestinian region.

Even when the state of Israel was finally created, the majority of the people in the region were Arab Palestinians.

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Freedom fighters don't shoot up cars with women and children, or blow up school buses, or commuter buses with people trying to go to work. Cowards do that.
It depends how you look at it. Some believe this is the most effective way to be heard by the international community (I don't personally). This is another issue where the Israeli's are just as 'guilty' as the Arabs. There are plenty of news articles every day about Israeli soldiers taking down harmless targets, such as women and children.
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