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Old 01-07-2005, 06:58 AM   #40 (permalink)
Konichiwaneko
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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
How could invading a country that had no involvement with Al Queda make you feel safer? If anything, it's added to the recruitment drive for terrorists and made America a bigger target; therefore making you unsafer.

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Actually Mr. M, I feel safer in my own opinion because I felt like we've done the right thing as a country. But as of now I can say it's my opinion and I can easily see and hear why people feel both ways.

I'm always up to hearing points for and against the invasion of Iraq though because I"ll be honest my point of view is based on a mixture of blind faith and facts.

Yes in some points of view the war in Iraq can be seen as an attack, but really after all the years of Iraq being what it was I saw it more as the cancer of the world, and the US with the techonology we had as a the instruments and surgeons to remove it.

I'll tell you why I feel safer though Mr. M, and remember this is just from me and I don't reflect anyone's point of view I don't believe.

I feel safer because America is standing strong. I think we were so concerned about acting PC and not offending other nations that we were losing our own indentity. If you want to boil it down to war time Machismo I guess you can, but really it's how I've felt the US has been potrayed the last 12 years.

I loved Clinton domestically, but I felt that foreign policy wise we were stepped on by people. I felt as if we were sidestepping dangerous situations by what I would say "Fluffed Diplomacy". Give KimJong-Il 76 millions dollars to shut up? I think that would be more incentive for him to bribe us. It was actions like that, and those we weren't even aware of that made me feel that US was becoming weaker and weaker.

I believe in the soul of the United States, I believe once again in our reasonability. I think we don't really want to dominate anymore as much as nuetralize the potential problems to us. Iraq has been a problem for a while, and it was also an outstanding symbol of the recent weakness of the United States. Don't capture the guy who started the war, accept his plea bargain, let him kill more people, let him break the laws that you and the world organization set up for him.... That was Iraq. I think that situation right there damages our reputation and security over time as a much as terrorist attacks.

So by ivading Iraq I felt as if the US was finally telling the world "They broke laws and we must enforce them, we can't expect results from half ass solutions. We made a mistake and we going to try to clean it up".


Knowing that though, and this is where all the cynics come in. Have what we done been good or bad (which is the question in the first place).

Seeing how it was before, the situation now, the freedom that hopefully these Iraqi people will have and seemingly want to embrace is infinitely better then what they had 15 years ago.


Heh as I said blind faith, but from me an honest answer.

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But this I disagree with. What makes you think any other democracy would have done worse? Italy, France, the UK? In fact, the job of "liberating" Iraq is more difficult for America than for anyone else. And therefore, less likely to succeed.
Not to take anything away from other countries, what I meant by my statement was the US was one of the chooses with the Manpower, technology, and money to hold a war. I know it wouldn't happen but imagine Russia, or China, or other countries like that. I do admit though that reading it now, I was wrong because in my mind the I only saw a few countries capable of that action and you are right I didn't consider France, Italy, so on. Knowing what I know now, I do agree with you yes US would have a hard time with it, but also because of the US tenacity I think the plusses outweigh the negatives.

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I agree wholeheartedly with you, but I don't have the same faith in people ignoring intimidation.
So true, yet once again this is blind faith... we've had so much more then they have had. If I wanted to be shallow I could say I don't want to vote because I will die and lose my car, home, and luxuries in life. I'm an American though and not an Iraqi.

They now have something we've had for a while and celebrate... they have choice. I think that will be enough to motivate some of them to going. It would motivate me if I was an iraqi.
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