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Originally Posted by powerclown
I would say that 'Nationbuilding' is more an art, than a science. So, yes there have been setbacks, yes there have been disappointments, yes things appear chaotic now...but the situation needs time to resolve itself, to run its course. Like I said before - and I really believe this - every stable, modern country had its growing pains in the early stages of its life, because progress and refinement don't occur overnight, they take TIME.
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I understand your point. However, you are wrong.
You are either not paying attention to what is happening in Iraq (which I doubt) or you are letting your belief that this war is correct cloud your ability to answer the question.
You cannot answer this question with: things may need to get bad before they get better, therefore the
fact that they are worse today than 8 months ago is simply "evidence" that things are getting better.
That is nonsense. You could use that excuse for any difficult situation as a means of avoiding the situation you face. You may believe things are going to be better someday off in the future - but the reality of today is that things are worse than they were in the recent past.
And to those who claim they are not in any position to know due to the filtration of media or similar - that too is nonsense. There are a few empirical facts that demonstrate quite clearly that more people have died over the past few months than had died in the same time frame during the previous year. More people dying is irrefutably worse than less people dying or the same number of people dying.
I believe it was Bush who once claimed that the increased attacks by insurgents was a sign of their desperation and weakness. That was over a year ago. He was wrong. Anyone attempting to make that claim today needs to understand that this wishful thinking card has already been played and is now in the discard pile.