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Zen Buddhism is a wonderful belief system. He might elarn that the ultimate goal of Zen Buddhism is nirvana, which is what I consider God.
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I'm aware of what Zen refers too.
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Mr Zen seems to strongly believe that God does not exist (that's an atheist, not an agnostic, btw).
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Christian god. That I don't believe in
your god doesn't make me an atheist. I see the piles of contradictions that are in the christian tradition and that's why I don't believe in
your god. I believe we can't have the answers to everything and therefore I can't tell you that there is no god. But at the same time I can't tell you that there is one either.
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but, Mr Zen for someone who clains to be agnostic it seems that you want to be the reason for someone to stop beleiving.
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Not at all, I'm all for people having religious beliefs, but if your not going to back up your comments with more thought then, "For me to completely stop believing, it would take God telling me he doesn't exist," in a philosophy forum... I don't know why you would even bother making the post in the first place. If god would have to come down and tell you that he doesn't exist, then all you have is indoctrination to blame. It means that your mind is closed to any other possibility, how are you supposed to have a discussion about religion if you are going to be close-minded about the entire discussion.
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You drew the most odd and random conclusion from what I said. CLEARY America is not God's chosen people. WHAT I WAS SAYING is that something that removed me from my lifes normalicy and that killed milions of people, a lot of which I know, would make me question God. I would not be questioning why God was mad at us, that's ludacris. I did not write this to be debated on God. There are plenty of threads out there for that.
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I'm not trying to debate you on god, I simply point out a flaw in your logic. There are thousands of people being killed everyday. I realise that this isn't up into the millions mark that you pointed to, but it's still a hell of a lot of people being killed for no good reason. I guess I read more into the statement than you intended, for that I apologise, I simply focused on this part, "If there were a major and sudden poilitical shift in the world, such as America being attacked with nuclear weapons by an ally," when talking about America being gods friend.
BTW you didn't mention anything about the nuclear weapons that hit Japan.
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Just because you are in group a, doesn't mean there aren't people glad to be in group b. I never said ANYONE had to believe in God, the least of whome you. If you don't believe God exists, how does he have grubby hands?> It was a dissrespectful remark. Let's remember that the rules of TFP require people to act over 18.
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If you took offence to the "grubby hands" remark, again, I apologise. I sometimes get sick of the pretentiousness that some christians spew and it tends to come out in a less than positive way. I'll tell you one thing though, the "God loves you" comment pisses more atheists and agnostics off than you'd think, it comes across extremely condesending.
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But honestly, i still feel compeled to say: give it a rest. Indoctrination, my ass. As a convert to Christianity, i think i can honestly say that indoctrination was about the last thing that got me in the door. Blanket assumptions tend to make arguements look stupider than they otherwise might.
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Notice that I never mentioned you. You gave some
actual reasoning for your beliefs.
You people need to relax. I never once attacked your conclusions, I only tried to point out flaws in your premises (arguments). That is the way of philosophy, if you take issue with the conclusion of an argument, you must attack the premises. We are in the philosophy section of the forum are we not?
Edit: I forgot to mention that I refuse to apologise to anyone that can't be bothered to back up their conclusion with an argument of any kind (even a half-assed one). Simply posting some general crap with nothing to back it up is either a cop-out or spam, either of which is not worthy of anyone's respect. Especially in a philosophy forum.