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Old 09-04-2004, 08:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
Ustwo
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Originally Posted by Delirious
Americans vote for Bush primarily because of fear and religion. But I feel there's also a large segment of our population that actually enjoys being dominated, is attracted to Bush's seemingly limitless power.
Lets stop there for now....

I am not afraid of terrorists. I want them dead, but I don't live in fear, so strike one.....

I am an atheist. I have been one since 3rd grade. Strike two.......

If anything I'm a 'top', Strike three........

I think what you fail to understand is there are people out there who are quite smart, and well educated who LIKE Bush and like his policies. I think he is a bit to much of a socialist, but otherwise I am very happy with Bush. Bush is genuine, I don't need to wonder how he will react because he doesn't pretend to be what he is not. Some of his compassionate conservative agenda I hope gets shot down, but otherwise I'm happy with him and his policies.

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Ignorance is also a factor here. It might sound condescending to say this, but if you look at the arguments by Bush supporters, they mainly appeal to emotion:
Don’t worry you don’t sound condescending, you sound like a liberal who doesn’t understand that a great many THINKING people are Republicans. You might not understand why, but you need to understand that we exist, and exist in great numbers.

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We were a peaceful nation, but then we were attacked by evil terrorists, and President Bush stood up for America.
Actually we were anything but peaceful. Somalia, Haiti, Iraq, and Bosnia were all places America had been blowing things up for the last decade, this was all under president Clinton. I am not going to say he was wrong to do so, but just want to point out that there was no real peace, we just felt invulnerable despite the first WTC bombing.

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(OK. Sept. 14th. So what that it took him three days before he even got to New York City?)
Ok, this is where you need to use your own head a bit. I would have been very critical of him showing up earlier. There was work to do, and a presidential visit would have only gotten into the way. Going there to see the damage and shake hands was only symbolic and he handled that perfectly. What was more important was planning what do to next, and you don’t do that at a photo op. This is one of those times where people complain because they can’t think of anything of substance to say. Bush handled it masterfully.

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If you counter this argument by reporting the actual state of our union -- a net loss of a million jobs the last four years,
Unemployment is currently at 5.4 percent. 6 percent is considered FULL employment. The jobs claim is basically a myth. He may have inherited a recession, but we are doing just fine.

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a record $445 billion budget deficit,
Now this IS something I do fault Bush on. But he is acting like a liberal on social policy and unlike a liberal he is getting his agenda done. Kerry has promised about 2 trillion in spending, the only good thing is being Kerry he doesn’t mean it.

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more Americans without insurance,
Can’t speak for this one as I have no idea what the current numbers are, (either do you), but despite claims, no one is dying of disease on the street untreated. This is another one of those whines without substance.

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record-setting prices at the gas pump,
Agree, lets get rid of some of the stupid ‘special’ EPA regs for some areas (like Chicago) and drill in ANWR.

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involvement in a very costly war that seemed avoidable
Oh of course it was avoidable, but as shocking as it will be to you, it was the right thing to do. A majority of Americans feel the same.

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the Republicans start the noise machine, and shout you down as unpatriotic. They can't argue factually, because the facts just aren't on their side. But the emotional nature of the situation allows them to justify their actions. And the result is one more misguided vote for Bush.
No, you just don’t like our facts. Even John Kerry, Mr. Waffles, has said knowing what he knows now he wouldn’t have changed his vote on Iraq (I’m sure he said the opposite somewhere else). He voted for war btw. I’m voting for Bush, and I am anything but misguided. You may not agree with me, you may not have the same information I do, you may not LIKE it but unless you understand that there are smart people who agree with Bush on the substance of the issues, you will only continue to be wrong and your thinking and make posts based on that wrong thinking.
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