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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Sir have you ever really read up on the history of the Menidat Y'sreal? In their short existence, 55 +/- years, they have been attacked 3 times by foreign invading armies, often times by as many as 8 Arab countries.
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Well, let's start at the beginning, shall we?
In 1947, the U.N. decides that Jews will be given a bunch of land. The Palestinians living on that land do not accept that decision. In 1948, Britain ends their mandate of Palestine and refuses to secure the area for Jewish occupation. So the Arabs attack the Jews.
Is that supposed to be suprising or somehow shocking? A group of people have come in and told you the land you live on now belongs to them. There is only one righteous recourse: fight for the right to the land which they are taking from you.
A land without people for a people without land.
There was no such thing as Palestinians; it was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestine people, and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist. -- Golda Meir
There were nearly 1 million people living in Palestine. Label them anyway you wish - it was their land by possession.
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They were a major player in the cold war, having read up on the cold war middle east you would know that.
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This is irrelevant to the discussion. Both sides were used by the U.S. and the Soviets during the Cold War - but the problems between the two countries existed before the Cold War.
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Israel has historically only taken gains after aggression, and constantly used said gains to broker peace with said aggresive Arab neighbors.
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Israel historically took the land initially. That aggression from Arabs followed is nothing short of pure logic. If you wish to call a retaliatory action an aggressive action, feel free. That Israel then uses the land they take, by offering back only pieces of it, is how Israel has successfully gained the land beyond the 1948 borders that they now control. And it is also used as the propaganda to claim that the Palestinians "refuse to negotiate and don't seek peace". As if Israel does.
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Lastly your who speel on Israel's nukes is complete and utter bullshit, it's garbage. Israel has not signed the Nuclear Proliferation treaty, Iran has, don't come here talking that nonsense.
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I did not claim Israel had signed the treaty. I simply stated 3 facts and 1 opinion based on those facts:
1- Israel does not need nukes.
2- As long as Israel has nukes, Iran is required by the laws of Cold War logic to attain them.
3- The U.S. policy of non-proliferation requires Iran to not have nukes.
Therefore, the first step towards ensuring that Iran does not attain nukes is to remove the primary incentive for Iran to attain nukes.