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onetime2 · 03-25-2004, 11:14 AM

Interesting that I'm constantly being chastised by some on this board about "always pointing to Clinton" in response to Bush accusations (which in 99% of situations is completely untrue as I only mention him in response to others' examples using him) and yet I mention nothing about Clinton in this one and it's brought up. The two situations are completely different exactly for the reasons described by others, he was under oath and Bush and Powell weren't [edit] oh and the fact that there was evidence of Clinton's "sexual relations" [/edit]. Go ahead and claim that they're just avoiding being put under oath, but Clinton certainly didn't volunteer to testify, he was compelled to testify.

FWIW, shakran, I agree that there's no way to prove that Bush knowingly lied without knowing what he was thinking (I've made that point ad infinitum throughout these discusions), but just as you can't accuse him of lieing, he can't be accused of planning this for the same reasons. I applaud your phrasing of your argument that "in your opinion" he carefully planned this whole thing. If people couched these accusations in the same way as you there would be far more productive discussions I think.

03-25-2004, 11:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
onetime2 Junkie Location: NJ	Interesting that I'm constantly being chastised by some on this board about "always pointing to Clinton" in response to Bush accusations (which in 99% of situations is completely untrue as I only mention him in response to others' examples using him) and yet I mention nothing about Clinton in this one and it's brought up. The two situations are completely different exactly for the reasons described by others, he was under oath and Bush and Powell weren't [edit] oh and the fact that there was evidence of Clinton's "sexual relations" [/edit]. Go ahead and claim that they're just avoiding being put under oath, but Clinton certainly didn't volunteer to testify, he was compelled to testify. FWIW, shakran, I agree that there's no way to prove that Bush knowingly lied without knowing what he was thinking (I've made that point ad infinitum throughout these discusions), but just as you can't accuse him of lieing, he can't be accused of planning this for the same reasons. I applaud your phrasing of your argument that "in your opinion" he carefully planned this whole thing. If people couched these accusations in the same way as you there would be far more productive discussions I think. __________________ Strive to be more curious than ignorant. Last edited by onetime2; 03-25-2004 at 11:55 AM..