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Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by issmmm, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Spiritsoar

    Spiritsoar Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    New York
    This. I mean, I don't want Romney elected, but what is he thinking? Elections are won by convincing the undecided in the middle, and he only seems to be aiming at the people who are going to vote for him regardless of what he says.
     
  2. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Today is the 75th anniversary of FDR's signing of the Social Security Act into law.

    There has never been a better program to ensure that seniors do not live in poverty in their golden years. W/o Social Security, nearly half of today's seniors would likely be living below the poverty level; with SS, the number drops to below 10%.

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    It also has lifted millions out of poverty among those with a severe medical disability who receive benefits as well as the children and spouses following the death of the primary wage earner in the family.

    But it is socialism, so it must be stopped!
     
  3. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    44% of seniors are in poverty? how is this social security working correctly again?
     
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Sam, look at it again, please....44% would likely be living below the poverty level if Social Security was excluded.
     
  5. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    ah ok. that's great, but it still doesn't qualify as a successful program in my book. it is just another ponzi scheme for politicans to raid. at least some seniors can ride into their twilight years on the backs of younger generations who won't see a dime from the program. this is a model of success for all welfare programs.
     
  6. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Yeah. I think it is great that nearly all seniors can live out their lives at a level above poverty...so I guess we have a different measure of success.

    And the ponzi scheme/younger generations wont see a dime chatter is just the same old conservative/libertarian rhetoric that is not supported by the facts.
     
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  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Say what?
     
  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I think he means that rewarding citizens who worked hard for 30-40 years with a little bit of income security and affordable health care is just more socialist crap.
     
  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    It's is interesting...an Electorial Election.
    Right now, the battling comes down to around 12 states...this is what Romney & Obama will focus their attention on.

    Doesn't matter if you win more in California or Texas...for the most part, it's won already...winner of that state takes all votes.

    Romney is under in 10 of the 12 states...and trying to win them all, just to get to an Electorial win.
    Ironically, the GOP wants an Electorial system...it allows it's less populated conservative states to balance out the others.
    If it was pure popular vote...then pretty much 5 states would make the call. (CA, TX, IL, FL and NY)
    I don't think the rest of the states would appreciate that...nor would the GOP currently, since Texas is the only "sure-thing"
    Florida is kind of wishy-washy... (if you haven't figured that out already :rolleyes:)

     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Here is the definition of Schadenfreude,
    I'm enjoying their pain...perhaps as much as they want the powers that be to "change", maybe they can cure themselves first.

    The 4th estate, the media...a sector we like to bitch about like any government or politician.
    Yet, we still chew at the same slop we complain about. (like a bad diner near work...)

    Perhaps if they focus less on the hype, opinions and "gotchas",
    and focus more on the meat and substance, then they'd be more fulfilled. (kind of like carbs vs. protein)

    And here they are complaining...about themselves.
    Irony knows no bounds. :rolleyes:

    Where's the world's smallest violin to play when you need it...

     
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2012
  11. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
  12. dippin Getting Tilted

    Not to nit pick, but this has to be clarified a bit. Their model is new, so they weren't around to make predictions before the fact in previous elections. "Predict" here is used in the statistical sense, where the statistical model, with its variables, has the same result as what actually happened. These things are useful, but they are not exactly the best predictors of future elections.
     
  13. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico

    So you're saying they predicted after the fact? I read the article, which is an opinion piece, and didn't see that. That makes me feel better. Hell with 20-20 hindsight I could statistically predict the Titanic will sink on it's first voyage.
     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    "There are three kinds of lies:
    lies, damned lies, and statistics."
     
  15. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    So you're saying the Titanic sank? I never manged to sit through that whole movie.
     
  16. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Well, Titantic the movie flew...2+ billion dollars globally so far. :p
    The real thing didn't do as hot.

    Let's hope that the Presidency and our government doesn't make the same mistake with the iceberg...
     
  17. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    Nate Silver has Obama's chance of winning at around 75% pre-conventions, and Romney didn't have much bump at all from his convention
     
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Talk about a convention bounce...

    Obama now has above an 80% chance of winning according to FiveThirtyEight, the polling/stats analysis site.

    And most places have Obama in a decent electorial win momentum.
    RealClearPolitics (a conservative leaning aggragate) - With no toss ups.
    Intrade
    Politico
    Electorial-vote.com
    and so on...

    September is void of any remaining events of note. (unless Fate has plans...)
    So likely only the debates in October have any potential impact (3 presidential, 1 VP...first is on 10/3)

    Right now, Romney has a serious uphill battle to get a path to a win...
    Most of the "toss-up" states are leaning to Obama, with only NC and MO to Romney...right now, it's Obama's to lose.

    So, do the Dems start redirecting effort and energy and funds to the various campaigns throughout the states
    to keep their hold on the Senate and minimize any gain in the House.
    Or really start a "get out the vote" push to get more voters out to the polls, which would lean more to the Dems.
    Or all of the above

    If they're smart, they'll turn up the fire even more...and do all of the above.
    GOP is not looking as healthy or vigorous as it was.
     
  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Interesting how the public's opinion can turn.
    They're so fickle. :rolleyes:

     
  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    This seems to be the current state of things...
    Or is it just the calling out a moment by moment horse-race??
    I'm finding even many of the conservative pundits frustrated by some of the unforced errors of the Romney campaign...and the lack of excitement.

    What is your perception??
    My questions is this...let's say the Romney campaign does not succeed,
    will its lack of excitement or potential failure affect all the rest of the campaigns throughout the nation...creating a negative vs. the GOP.
    Either from lack of voters and momentum,
    or actually a reminder of what they DON'T like about the GOP, versus the Dems or otherwise.

    Any insight?
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012