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Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by issmmm, Sep 25, 2011.

  1. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I think the reality of politics is that politicians pander to the public and that Obama is no exception.
     
  2. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    The point is, whatever his religious viewpoint, if he or any other elected official doesn't understand that the US is a nation governed by secular law and act accordingly, they have no business being in office. I don't care if Obama believes aliens populated the planet as long as he stands by a Constitution which allows for religious belief but shows it no special favor.

    And for the record, he shouldn't have to proclaim his religious beliefs or a lack of religious belief to be electable. The fact that it's an ad hoc requirement to get elected into almost any office in the US is extremely disappointing and bolsters the argument that Christianity has too much influence on politics.
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    Yeah, if only the public weren't also the voters there'd be none of that nonsense.
     
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  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Only once in the history of the country, has the Constitution been amended to restrict or deny rights of the people based on, or initiated by, religious beliefs and/or religious groups and institutions- the 18th amendment banning the manufacturing or sale of " intoxicating liquors."

    If the Republicans had their way, based on their platform and the overwhelming desire of their religious base, there would be two new Constitutional amendments restricting or denying rights - a marriage amendment restricting rights of gays and lesbians and a right to life amendment restricting women's reproductive rights.

    Amending the Constitution to restrict rights based on religious beliefs is extreme and there is nothing comparable in Obama's agenda or the agenda of the Democratic party.
     
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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    I was listening to the pundits today on the Sunday morn shows.
    And they were saying that Obama will try to focus on the whole GOP instead of just Romney.

    Especially since Romney really hasn't defined himself, and he'll be lumped into their policies.
    Congress is more unpopular than anything right now.
    And for some reason, they are thought of as the GOP for the most part, even though the Dems have control of the Senate.
    Maybe that's because it's the House majority vs. Obama. (strange perspective)
     
  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Not so strange considering a minority party in the Senate can be as much if not more disruptive than a majority. Without the 60% majority for either party it usually results in a tug of war over everything. They're completely ineffective and virtually out of the equation. The House, and it's Republican majority, is the mover, shaker and policy maker. They are the "Congress" in this election cycle and they best take heed.

    Focusing on the GOP, as a whole, is the best way forward for Obama. It serves to minimalize Romney's importance or at least lump him into the greater issue of Republican subservience to the growth and maintenance of the very wealthy. Average Americans acknowledge the divide between the very wealthy and themselves and it's a concern. In the absence of a true socially conservative Republican candidate, this issue will resonate with the Christian conservatives, as well. It may not add up to votes for Obama but may keep some of them home on election day.
     
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  6. pan6467

    pan6467 a triangle in a circular world.

    And Santorum is now "officially" OUT!!! :p Guess we won't have a President leading another costly war, one on morals and porn... :D lol
     
  7. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    What happened to him seeing it through to PA? Guess he wasn't happy with the poll numbers. I don't think he stood a chance of getting a win in PA anyway. People who vote you out of your Senate seat are not likely to support you in a Presidential run.

    I'm sorry to see him go. He was good for a few laughs anyway.
     
  8. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    well it was bound to happen sometime, but his daughter being very sick probably played a big roll in calling it quits. she has some terrible disease.
     
  9. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Me too.

    I really wanted to hear about those forbidden "things in a sexual realm" resulting from contraception.
    “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country,” the former Pennsylvania senator explained. “It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be”​

    It also makes God 0-4 in his candidates of choice, given that Santorum, Perry, Bachmann and Cain all said that God wanted him/her to run.
     
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  10. pan6467

    pan6467 a triangle in a circular world.

    I also heard that romney was gaining support and the polls showed Pa was going to be a tossup, so if Santorum saw the writing on the wall that he couldn't even win his own state... it was best to drop out before being embarrassed by a close call or loss in the only state he should have theoretically ran away with. Newt ran away with Georgia, Romney had no problems in Mass and surrounding states....

    He can run again in 4 years when the Dems don't really have anyone strong enough to replace Obama.
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    And the question is, what happens when Obama wins this November? According to all the talking heads he's so weak and should be beaten easily... but they keep throwing up the fact that he is raising all kinds of money and the GOP can't keep up.... so who takes the blame? You can't blame money because the GOP has more big money supporters than the Dems do easily.
     
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  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Is it just me, or is this whole thing fairly predictable now?

    “This election will be about principle. Our economic freedom will be on the ballot.” Mitt Romney

    Leading into the election, I see the GOP selling Romney as the Second Coming of Reagan.
     
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  12. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    I think you're right. They'll try that tactic, but I don't see it working if for no other reason than Romney simply lacks Reagan's charisma.

    I had a conversation at dinner last night that was pretty interesting: Mitt Romney and Al Gore are more successful versions of Todd Marinovich. All of them were groomed by their fathers to realize the fathers' dreams. Obviously Marinovich was a spectacular bust, both in the job and as a human being, but I see Romney and Gore as at least kindred spirits.
     
  13. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I wonder how will they spin Reagan proposing something like Obama's Buffet Rule?



    "We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it."
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Well, yes, and there's the rub. However, I think at this point, the focus will be on Reaganomics and Reagan's legacy — revitalizing it, returning to it, etc., especially in response to Obama's "socialist policies." You don't need to have Reagan's charisma to channel him and bank on the nostalgia of that period. Reagan's charisma will live on, and Romney will be the medium.

    You're an American, so you know this better than I do: You people have selective memories. This is why conservatives can harp on about how awesome Reagan was while in the same breath utter, "No new revenues."
     
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  15. the_jazz

    the_jazz Accused old lady puncher

    But what Republican Presidential hopeful hasn't run on the Reagan legacy in the last 25 years - barring the obvious like Ron Paul and other assorted Menshivik Republicans that don't adhere to the party line? Both Bushes, Dole and even McCain (to an extent) all tried to channel the Great Communicator with their runs.

    I don't see this race as being substantially different in that regard from races past.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I'm thinking perhaps it will be more direct and overt. I think it will dominate the platform. It won't be a simple set of platitudes. They will look at it as a movement.

    Also, the others didn't have the backdrop of the Tea Party movement and Occupy Wall Street.

    What better time to raise the Great Communicator than to oppose the socialist threat?

    But I do realize I could be wrong.
     
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  17. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    This is the way I see it.

    GOP makes up their own reality...then screams about it.
    Dems worry about someone else's reality...then whines about it.

    One wants things to stay the same, even if they weren't that way.
    The other wants to change things, even if they aren't going that way.

    It's pretty easy stuff...same one I use at work & home.
    See a problem, review the situation, investigate the details, review the options, ask around...develop a solution, then act...see if it works, cleanup.

    In the end, this is what I say,
    "figure it out" :mad:
     
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  18. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I'll reiterate what I think needs to be done. (This is from my comments here and in other threads.)

    America needs to:

    1) Get the money out of politics.
    2) Get the money out of politics.
    3) Revise the legislation that weakened unions and certain labour laws since the '70s/'80s.
    4) Reinvest in education—heavily.
    5) Reinforce or revise health care legislation where it makes sense.
    6) Let the Bush tax cuts expire and/or reduce military expenditures to help reduce the deficit.

    Again: America isn't broke; it's broken. The real GDP per capita has climbed steadily since the 1950s, and after a brief correction resulting from 2008, it looks poised to continue.

    There is a deficit problem based mainly on the policies of the man the GOP would continue to revere. Reagan opened the door to the current problem that sees nothing wrong with lining the pockets of the richest Americans while leaving the middle and working classes with little more than scraps.

    Of course, the GOP and Romney are going to go on about how Obama hates business; Obama hates job creators; Obama hates entrepreneurs; Obama hates [fill in the blank]. All of these are flat out wrong.

    I won't argue the opposite, though. I don't think the GOP or Romney hate the working and middle classes. I think they're simply ignorant to what helps them, and America, thrive.
     
  19. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    I think Hilary Clinton will run in 2016, the right will lose it when she wins.

    Obama will have to explain what he will do in the next four years, especially if the GOP trys to block everything he does.
     
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The creepiest political ad of the day goes to Herman Cain and Cain Solutions:



    Big government (and presumably freeloaders) are a bunch of chickens. Taxpayers are a hard working farmer. The chickens attack the taxpayer farmer and eat him. Cut to an innocent looking young girl watching the chickens pick over a human-looking bone and asking"Any Questions?" The farmer's skeleton raises his hand.

    Yikes!
     
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