Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Insulting.

I suspect the Christian vote will be split about equally between Obama and Romney.

{added} Before you bring in a politicized poll, try and reconcile it with this from 2008

FACTBOX: Highlights from Pew U.S. religion survey| Reuters

 

Insulting?

Insulting as the conservative christian groups - Faith and Freedom Coalition (Ralph Reed), the American Family Association (Donald Wildmon), Family Research Council (Tony Perkins) - that promote intolerance of any beliefs other their own extremist views?

In the eyes of the beholder, I guess.

 

Intolerance of the beliefs of others is insulting, in my opinion, no matter where it comes from. However, I think it is o.k. to disagree and to discuss disagreement. If the groups above cross the line, I do not think that is o.k.

Do you need an explanation of what was insulting in your post? Do your really believe the caricature of Christians in general and Evangelicals in particular that you and other occasionally present in your posts?

Christians are diverse in their political views. I think it is time to stop the insults - but I do realize you are going to do what you choose.

{added} I suspect the independents in various religious categories will swing to the winner - Obama needs his share to win - I suspect for those who identify as Christian it will have to be in the 50% plus range.

 

No, Ace.

I certainly dont need an explanation from you.

If you were insulted...as I said, it is in the eyes of beholder.
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Former NY governor candidate Carl Paladino making the case for Newt to stay in the race and compete in NY primary later this month.

I could make a comment, but Ace might find it insulting.

 

How evangelicals will actually end up voting will be very interesting. As the majority of them tend to vote Republican, will that be enough to swing them to Romney (the Mormon) over Obama? (considered by many of them to be a Christian "in name only" and possibly even a Muslim). Neither candidate is ideal and may result in many of them staying home on election day.

If evangelical and fundamentalist Christians voted politics over religion, I would definitely put them in Romney's camp, but they tend to vote for candidates who reflect their own strict social conservatism and religiosity over the less important political issues.

Romney will lean towards less social conservatism and religiosity as the general election cycle wears on.

 

The very idea of a "Christian vote" is bizarre to me - but, yeah, I know it's a reality.

 

The Christian vote can be a king maker. Ask George W. Bush.

 

You are not insulting me. The caricatures of Christians is getting a bit old - and certainly not accurate. I have a sense of humor, but now I am just wondering if you take this issue with Christians and Evangelical serious.

 

Evangelicals do a wonderful job of making themselves caricatures. A recent mega-millions lottery winner credits her win on her depth of devotion to God and the guardian angel watching over her family. Harmless, yes, but great fodder.

 

If you can clearly define "evangelical" you might get an accurate answer. I could argue that Obama is Evangelical, and has acted as such as President.

 

I absolutely take seriously the extremist Evangelicals represented by groups like the Faith and Freedom Coalition, American Family Association and Family Research Council. These groups have enormous outreach among the right.

Comments by guys like Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell that pagans, abortionists, feminists & gays and lesbians were responsible for 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina....not so much.

 

Al Gore was a Southern Baptist. And later became a regular Baptist - I am not an expert but there is a difference that I am not sure I understand. Why did "they" support Bush and not Gore? What was the breakdown of the vote? King maker??? Or are we just making stuff up?
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"Enormous outreach"??? Do you even know what you are talking about? Do you even know how religion impacts politics in this country?

I give a real world example in NC we have a anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot - it is "black" religious groups who will tip the scale - people who practice the same kind of religion as Obama.

FayObserver.com - Op-ed: Williams - Blacks will tip gay marriage amendment

 

Evangelicals = Christian voters who want Christian morality written into law. Ban gay marriage, ban abortion, reintroduce prayer to schools and the ten commandments to public buildings, etc.

 

I'm watching people squabbling about different brands of god-botherers - as if the logo makes a difference.

If it drives the vote (and it does) we have a problem.

 

The NC amendment has near unanimous support among white republicans and is likely to pass. It would not even be close w/o this base.
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The NC amendment is the work of the NC Values Coalition, loosely affiliated with the groups identified above.

Part of the strategy, as identified by another group behind the amendment, the right wing National Organization for Marriage (from internal documents):

Damn right, I know how these type extremist religious groups impact policy and politics....but then, you cant even acknowledge the widespread attack on women's reproductive rights taking place in (Republican) legislatures across the country.

 

Or, an Evangelical is a Christian who does not share your political views? This in not a Christian nation but Christian morality is the foundation of our laws. I think there are Evangelicals who have no problem with civil unions as a form of gay marriage granting all the protections under the law afforded to marriage between a man and a woman - basically no difference in the eyes of the law. Some people think abortion is murder. Who has a problem with prayer - it should be an individual choice to pray or not. What is wrong with the ten commandments in a public building?
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People generally don't understand it.

Poll shows confusion over scope of N.C. marriage amendment - State - NewsObserver.com

When explained most people in NC have no issue with equal legal protections given to gay couples, even Republicans.

Then you need to put Obama's religious group in with these others.

{added} This makes the poll issue in NC clearer on the question of the Marriage Amendment

This also illustrates a core flaw in polls - it is better to actually talk to people.

N.C. Marriage Amendment Has 20-Point Lead in New Polls - Religion Today Blog Christian Blog

 

Come to think of it, it might be nice to have "Thou shalt not kill" prominently displayed in courtrooms where the death penalty is in effect.

 

The fact that I had no clue at any time during that election that Al Gore was a Southern Baptist is probably due to the fact that he didn't use it to pry votes out of Christians.

He was a Southern Baptist and then became a regular Baptist? WTF! Did he move?

The fact that fundamentalist Christians came out in droves to vote for GWB in both elections is a well known fact. Were it not for their overwhelming attendance, it's unlikely that King George would have been given any shot at all, never mind a second one. The Supreme Court was fortunately in attendance for the King when the votes were not entirely in his favor but that's getting way off track here.

 

Obama's religious group, whatever group you think that might be, is defending current law regarding women's reproductive rights. Rights guaranteed by Supreme Court decisions.

 

What does "Obama's views on gay marriage is evolving" mean? What is the view of his church?

In case some don't read the whole article, read this.

Is Obama a religious extremist?


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/us/politics/19marriage.html?pagewanted=all

You don;t know do you? Or, in Obama's case is it o.k for him to be political or a coward on the issue - which is it, in your opinion?