Politics Who's Gonna Win?

Ok, let's take a left turn (unintended pun, but I'll keep it) in this conversation and let me ask you guys something.

I started thinking about this yesterday and it may be something that has been discussed here before, but it has me interested. The Catholic church, Republicans and King Rush are all opposed to anyone subsidizing the pill or other contraceptive prescriptions because apparently they lead to a promiscuous lifestyle, correct? Where do they stand on Cialis, Viagra or other ED drugs? How many of those old republican men are getting the little blue pill on our dime? How many of them are using tax payer funded woodys to nail 20 year old interns?

My main point is while many contraceptive treatments have secondary benefits, to the point where they are prescribed to women to solely treat the secondary ailments, ED drugs, as far as I know, are used for that treatment only and, judging by the profit margins for these drugs, seemingly no one has a problem with handing those out.

 

You'd think the pope could put on his funny hat and get in his funny car and drive around for a while and see the we could probably dial it back on the begotting a bit.

I personally think the catholic church should adopt the official Adam Carolla contraceptive method:

 

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

 

So are you saying "just say NO to masturbation, recreational and oral sex"?

 

I support spermal genocide in all of the above.

 

I think Obama is going to be reelected.

I want to see a republican candidate win, but I don't see it as a possibility considering those who are running...

 

It's almost like GOP is trying to hand it to him. Like they did for Clinton in 96. Dole????? lol There were better prospects than Dole, but it was Dole's turn. Just as this year it is Romney's turn. All Gingrich and Paul are doing are making sure Santorum can't win by taking votes away from him.

 

I have been listening to MSNBC for the past few days, and it amazes me all the wars Republicans and conservatives are waging.

We are at war against women;
Immigrants,
Unions,
Teachers,
Science,
Poor,
People who don't have an ID to show in order to vote,
Islam,
The middle class,
The Media,
Ourselves (Tea Party v. establishment)
The elderly,
Nutrition,

And probably a few others that I can't think of. It is amazing. Oh, and we are all brainwashed by a AM talk radio show host.

 

So whats your point?

That Republican efforts:

• to limit access to contraception is not anti-women? Or the record number of state laws to legislate mandates that restrict women's reproductive rights are not anti-women?
• to enact anti-immigration legislation like Arizona that allows states to target (profiling) all Hispanics, not just illegals is not anti-immigrant?
• to enact legislation like Wisconsin that effectively ed-certifies public employee unions is not anti-union?
• to demonize real climate change/CO2 emissions and to enact legislation that requires teaching of creationism as science, not religion, is not anti-science?
• to demand drastic cuts or elimination of federal programs that disproportionally help the poor while maintaining oil subsidies and other tax incentives that favor the wealthy, rather than a more shared sacrifice, is not anti-poor?
• to require a photo-id to vote, based on claims of voter fraud, when no such fraud exists, and knowing that such a requirement disproportionally impacts minorities and elderly is not anti-minority and anti-elderly?
• to demonize Islam and enact legislation prohibiting Sharia Law because it is a threat to the country is not anti-Islam.

Or perhaps you believe that all of the above real examples are just Democrat and "lame stream" media brainwashing. Is that what you are suggesting, Ace?

What is amazing, Ace, is how far right the Republican party has drifted in recent years to the point that it is now a party of religious fundamentalists and ideological extremists as many prominent Republicans have noted.

 

Yes to all of the above. Is there an alternate universe where this war is not being waged by Republicans and conservatives? Or maybe you consider their actions (as pointed out by redux) necessary to remedy what ails us economically. As if immigrants, unions, teachers, science, poor, people who don't have an ID to show in order to vote, Islam, the middle class, the media, and the elderly, shouldn't take it so personally - no harm intended.

Strangely, the only segment not on your list is the wealthy.

 

Aceventura

I'm a German conservative. Even we realize just how dumb and ridiculous the Republican party of the USA is.

Surely you must, too.

 

Yeah, because, unlike Republicans, we accept common sense and are perfectly fine with a national healthcare system that covers all citizen.

 

How absurd it is to make these types of claims. For example wanting people to show an ID in order to vote does not mean, people don't want Southern blacks to vote.
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Another example, I can give my reasons for being against Obamacare. To some those reasons are illegitimate and the only real reason I can be against Obamacare is because I am a racist wanting the first black President to fail - or however that goes.
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Right, I am actually at war with myself. Last time I checked I am winning.

 

We won the war. The whole world just misinterpreted the actual results.

/Republican way of thinking

 

Maybe not for you, but I think it's pretty plausible that voter ID movements stem from a desire to make it more difficult for traditionally democratic voters to be able to vote. This becomes clear if you note the complete indifference on the part of voter ID crusaders when it comes to electronic voting machines, which are widely known to be susceptible to tampering. They're more concerned with a problem that arguably doesn't exist (voter fraud on an election-affecting scale) with a problem that likely has already contributed to actual electoral problems (easily hackable, unverifiable electronic voting machines). If they really cared about the integrity of our elections, they'd focus on voting machines and not the 0.000001% of votes that may or may not have been fraudulently cast. I think, and this is me going out on a limb here, that their focus might be motivated more by what they think they stand to gain than by any commitment to electoral integrity.

This is where you make up shit to pretend you're persecuted. Who here has called you racist for not supporting Obamacare? I think that you mistakenly blame all the problems with Obamacare on Obama. I don't think you're racist, though.

Look, there are very clearly people who don't like Obama because of his race. Many of these people are too chickenshit to admit that they're racist, some of them probably don't even believe they're racist. I think that it's a mistake to a priori dismiss criticisms of Obama as being the result of racism. However, when certain oft repeated criticisms of Obama, which despite having been repeatedly addressed and shown to be false (i.e. he's a socialist, he's a muslim, he wasn't born here, etc), keep popping up I think it's reasonable to speculate as to the enmity's true source. I don't think that racism is a bad guess here, when viewed in the context of who these types of accusations typically come from.

 

What does it mean then? Why expend so much energy and effort to correct a problem (voter fraud) that doesn't exist to a degree relative to it's so called prevention? And in doing so, alienate voters who it's believed would likely be voting Democratic?

You make the grave mistake of believing a majority of conservative Republicans think as you do. They don't. Republican Senator Mitch McConnell, for instance. The highest ranking Republican in the Senate stated that the number 1 goal of Republicans in Congress was the defeat of Obama. Are you saying that it's absurd to take him at his word? Absurd to think that he would stop at nothing to ensure Obama a failed Presidency? Why? Because he's a racist? Maybe he is, I don't know but the more reasonable assumption is because he's a Republican and wants his party to dominate all three branches of government.

Racism, in both of these scenarios, represents a tiny fraction of the reasons some Republican conservatives are for Voter ID and against Obama's health care. I don't know what has given you the idea that moderates and liberals are on the opposite side of these issues because we believe they stem from a racist mindset. Republicans look at mandatory voter ID as a way to manipulate the outcome of elections. Moderates and liberals are against this manipulation. Where's the accusation of racism in all of this?

Edit: Looks like Bodkin beat me to it.

 

I spent many years of my life in the Chicago area where the common phrase was to vote early and to vote often. It was not uncommon for people on the city payroll to be actively involved in "getting the vote out". I think many in this country would prefer our system to not devolve into what Chicago was - I do not know if it is still as bad as it was from prior to about 1992, when I left the area.

I repeated an actual argument I heard on MSNBC.

No doubt, but the credibility of the racist argument falls flat in 2012. Given the frequency it is used, you would think it is 1912 rather than 2012.