Politics What is happening????

This is why I'm not big on lots of private schools, or libertarian voucher systems..
I don't trust the private school model to teach a unified core education so we all operate on the same basic world view (actual known reality) with room for the unknown or changing edges of science as we learn more.

I remember being somewhat quietly shocked that one of my best friends during highschool didn't believe in dinosaurs.
I didn't believe in then, I knew of them, as a knowable reality rather than a belief to accept or dismiss.
A girl he dated once told me, he said he couldn't kiss her because he wasn't sure if he could/wanted to marry her...
I didn't realize his parents were so hard core like that.

But to the lost indoctrinated into the Q world...I read that deprogramming can be as difficult as a one on one process and fairly time consuming.

 

The Republican Accountability Project is targeting 22 Republican Senators with ads on Fox News (and local Fox affiliates) this week "aimed at 22 senators the group views as potential votes for conviction."


Sen. McConnell, Vote to Convict Trump

“Sen. McConnell, Donald Trump incited an attack on our Capitol.
It’s up to you to convict and disqualify him,” the narrator of the ad
that will run in Kentucky says." (above)
​

Republican group pressures GOP senators to convict Trump in impeachment trial

The Republican Accountability Project also plans to drive a mobile billboard around the Capitol complex, which is still under heavy security, on Tuesday and Wednesday to encourage Trump’s conviction.

More on Republican Accountability Project

 

The Democrats should play the Trump game. There are Democrats who are: Current or former military, current or former law enforcement, firearms enthusiasts, etc.

 

Yeah even after 4 years I see his main game as unhinged street corner shit talking with a cadre of psycopants political strategists scrambling in the background to invent bullshit and spin to make him sound good to disaffected white man and his wife, unless he's an angry unmarried incel. Ultimately, fuck rules, anything that can get me a win today, let lawyers sort it out tomorrow.

 

I agree completely.

This latest CBS poll might explain , in part, the difference in the mindset of how the parties see each other and how that, in turn, may reflect the manner in which they express their oppositition.



More from the CBS poll...

Majority favor conviction as impeachment trial begins, but many Republicans urge loyalty to Trump

 

The "Fight like hell" game.

The more that comes out about Conman's actions before and during the Invasion, combined with his election fraud lies in general, the madder I get. The fact that most Republicans in the Senate have made it clear they are ignoring their sworn oath by ignoring the constitutionality vote and declaring they're going to vote for acquittal makes me even madder.

Yes, let's make those Republican US Senators the enemy and "fight like hell."

 

I hope enough flip.
But I think between constituent threats, trump threats and general repercussions from kool aid addicts, most will cave and we'll get acQuittal.
If that happens I guess we go on to his civilian issues, I think these are also open ended investigation so if kids get swallowed up in it all the better.

Crazy Steve Bannon is still tweeting.

If the trial lasts a week and there's some intense home base polling that returns fast enough pro conviction maybe some R's will flip. But at this point very few Rs have a shred of integrity, could also be that various corporate doners may chime in with some free speech (pulling funds) incentive.

I've read a lot of Qubies are waking up but there's millions of them so they still have a lot of pull.

 

I hate to agree with you--the message, not you personally--but you mentioned two things ultimately more important than integrity to politicians in general and Republicans especially: Power, and money.

 

Yeah, I think trump wants to keep fundraising.
Matt Gaetz just wants money and power. My gut says he has no moral compass at all.
Marjorie Taylor Green may have started her Qool Aid trip thinking about baby cannibalism but I'm pretty sure that's all gone and it's about money and power to her as well.
I find it way harder to believe any of these folks are so easily such a ludicrous story as jewish lasers and adrinochrome than just a simple desire to have money and attention, and power over people, charismatic pull over a crowd even if this crowd is the dumbest, most ignorant people they can get. It's like instagram attention whoring.
I don't think they have a plan of what to do with the power.
I think it's just a desire for followers...like the prosperity religion,
I'm good because I have wealth and all these dumb people believe me, never mind it all came from construction of false reality. Just calling it lies dosn't seem enough. It's a whole false reality that seems a whole lot harder to pull their audience away from.

 

There are many reasons, I just don't know if one can be pointed to as the culprit. I posted a list of possibilities here a while ago.

However, it might be all about sex as one of my non-political friends likes to say. And it makes a lot of sense in some ways. In the 50's and 60's, most men had stable jobs and stable relationships. The older generation wasn't trying to date younger women after divorcing their first wives. Men who held regular factory jobs, drove semis, or were farmers weren't judged by women who were doctors, models, and business leaders in the dating world. The druggie hippies in the late 60's got to have lots of sex while they were off in Vietnam. In the 80's, 90's, & 2000's they saw the women leave rural small town America for college and big city life where white collar workers, non-white men, and the rich were more attractive partners. TV shows reinforced this and showed women that the "perfect" guy is out there if you leave the small town and go to the big city.

Then you have AM talk radio and some TV shows start to tie it to politics and corporate interests. Reagan and the Willie Horton/welfare queens ads had an effect of saying that hard working white men were paying lots of their tax money to inner city black people (either in jail or public housing projects). Money that doesn't go to improving their lives, reducing the amount of work they have to do, or help them get laid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/hist...ueen-truth-was-more-disturbing-new-book-says/

 

Don't forget the rise of Christian fundamentalism. Religion in general teaches you to reject what you can see and hear and instead believe in faith. Combine that with the belief that others have rejected god and are going to hell, and are therefore worthless satanist democrats.

 

Higher ed, and travel. I've herd travel is the best teacher but then again I think one must be open to learning. I think when I was in college I paid more attention to girls than school. But still some sunk in and I feel a benefit from it.

I've been to auschwitz, I wouldn't say it was shocking but it was strongly effecting to stand in front of ovens and at the threshold of gas chambers, see the shaved off hair, some braided in a huge display. Skin lampshade and book binding. It sticks with you, a book not even behind glass. It's not pizza gate on the internet. I spose it's not practical to give that experience to everyone but it would help.

Just think how it would feel to watch 200 (or 500 or whatever) people wait all day in line to vote, loosing wages, while you did it by mail easily in the evening right here in the U.S. toms of us have no idea how hard it is to vote in other states. Why isn't it the same process nationally ?
Leveling playing fields to the degree that things seem fair. It seems fair to me that we provide via our taxes a 4 year college degree.

I think part of the cycle is the generation that saw fascism take hold goes away without really teaching the next gens what it was all about, how to recognize it, and how to take it seriously.

I don't know how to lessen the scourge of cronyism, or narcisisim or other personality disorders...
I do think that college fraternal organization is a bit suspect...maybe more than a bit. To me it seems like a playpen to hone the skill of cronyism, organized bad behavior and dealing with the binds of group secrecy and guilt.
"I know what you did, give me a position in your law firm/brokerage/hedge fund/ etc. "

I don't really know though. Maybe we are destined to go through the cycle..

 

Clan before country as expected. Pretty sad.

 

Can't believe the Republicans missed the opportunity to create unity. Shocked.