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Politics What is happening????

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    Interesting looking thread. Might try to read through all 23 pages here at some point.
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The 1% May Be Richer Than You Think, Research Shows

    For U.S. Middle Class, Neither Savings Nor Safety Net


    Let me state right here...I'm a capitalist and I enjoy the idea of people making the most that they can.
    However, I do understand when the balance is off...and there some issues and dynamics to address.

    That being said, right now the laws and leverage of society are overly leaning to corporations and the higher stratus.
    There is not a benefit of the doubt given to the average person who are losing more and more of their ability to manage and deal with a much more dynamic life than previous generations.
    The balance is currently skewed to give the benefit of the doubt to entities and those in position of higher status.

    Not to threaten them...but bring it back to a more normalized environ for everyone and give the ability to manage lifestyle and account for change by your all citizens.

    This is not just happening in the US, but around the world. Yet the US has some big holes too.

    This is not just me...but many are saying they can't keep up juggling all the things being thrown their way...you are penalized before you know it...and have to track everything. Playing whack-a-mole.
    You cannot budget or prepare well for this...no matter what your income...unless you're well off enough to have others to focus on it for you. Or have the time & mind, which most working people, don't.

    Also, most don't mind if people are wealthy...but they don't think it's fine to hide assets...or to leverage your position to disadvantage others.

    And don't think you can "get away" with it...people will sooner or later figure it out. And see where the imbalance and issues are.
    Because they feel like they're "anchored" in life...even productive people...and those at the top are given "balloons" and "golden parachutes".

    The need to stop the now constant "leakage" of fees and funds policy from terms these days.
    And start giving the benefit of doubt to consumers...not trying to "get away" with things to disadvantage them and overly maximize profit.

    If you're wondering why they're NOT spending on shopping anymore...it's because they don't have it to spend...all of it is being used on constant fees being thrown at them.
    And they don't want to get caught in a trap of dependency of credit or the system...because these may fail as shown in the past few years. There is no more "illusion" of reliability.

    And transparency and accountability needs to be enforced more.

    Bring it back into balance...give your average joe a sane "doable" life...I don't think they're asking for much.
     
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  3. rocnrichy New Member

    Roque, you say you are a capitalist, well so am I, but what we have here in the America is capitalism run amuck. Corporations making big profits is a good thing, but damnit at least make them pay taxes on it. You'll hear that the corporate tax rate is too high, but in reality the efective tax rate loopholes is only about 12% and some of the most profitable companies like EXON and GE pay no taxes at all. Not to mention the new corporate strategy is to aquire a smaller foreign company in an effort to evade even more taxes, called inversion, Don't look for things to change anytime soon, since the republicans have gerrymandered the districts to a point where the corporate puppets will be blocking tax reform for quite some time. Change will have too come from a grass roots movement, a revolt of sorts, when the 99% finally get fed up and VOTE.
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    uhh...I think that's what I said, bascially
    BTW...it's not just your citizens/people that are unbalanced.
    It's also happening in the corporate world...where the top businesses are getting it all and the remaining 80% aren't doing as hot.

    Noted in the article below...
    Corporate 1% in U.S. Gets Wealthier While Cash Piles Up

    Need to start balancing it out a bit more.
    Oh yeah...and btw, it's been proven that more competition and less monopolies make more for the nation.

    I don't mind players at the top...they just need to play by the same rules. People or Corporations.
     
  6. ottopilot

    ottopilot New Member

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    The clever always manage to find the right buttons to push. Reactions are predicted and scenarios projected. To what end? If we only eat what we're fed or what we like, then we shouldn't look surprised waking up with a cancerous bias. flesh-tone bandaids can be badges of honor.
     
  7. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I was having a discussion with an associate of mine, who was noting how difficult it is to keep up with everything IRL these days.

    I attributed it to two growing and existing trends in business these days.
    • People are "fee'd" to death...or death by thousand cuts...or drowning/flooding because of leaks...financially.
      A new "technique" for creating income for business is to attribute a fee for everything. There is no way to budget for this...and they can be added at any time.
      And even if wrong, it means YOU have to note it, YOU have to correct it. (AND the burden of proof is on you...not them)
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    • A new "unwritten" policy, or informal/unofficial...or at least not "advertised" is companies are doing everything they can to piecemeal any outgo of funds.
      So this means, they will play every trick in the book to keep from giving you money...or the longer they can keep it, the better for their money pool.
      Every rule, used to leverage...every hole, used to deny...every policy, used to rationalize...anything for you to not get your money back or them to pay.
      And again, even if wrong, YOU have to track it, YOU get the notices, YOU have to hunt down and order the correction.
    So it's now every Jane & Joe has to be their own full-time HR dept and Accounting Dept.
    Checking and rechecking EVERYTHING.
    And anything missed...is another penny out of your pocket....and it ALL adds up.

    So if you can't put your finger on it...but you "know" something is wrong...and you can't seem to have as much as you did before...and you're playing "wack-a-mole" chaos.
    It's not you...you're not going insane.
    It's just the new way of doing business.

    To the point that you grateful, when something is simple, straight-forward...and people do what you would expect.

    And THAT is just your output...what you're spending.
    Your income is languishing too...in comparison to the past.
    Only Rich Know Wage Gains With No Raises for U.S Workers (not just FT work, but PT, Seasonal, Contractual too...)

    Now, to give the benefit of the doubt for your small business, they aren't getting love either...in the corporate world, it's top heavy too. The Big Boys are happy, but not the rest.

    But now you know why you aren't getting a leg up...and you're swimming all the much harder.
    And even if you're successful...there's still "another thing" you have to chase down. :rolleyes:
    It all counts.
     
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  9. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    So the subtle translation of the difficulties with keeping up with things ...makes it just as difficult to just get started or get to goals.
    And time keeps on moving whether you get to them or not...

    I don't think the solution is taking from the 1%...the solution is balancing out those policies that have crept in as a "normal part of business" and how revenue is raised.
    The credit industry lock...you HAVE TO have good credit. Otherwise Nada. (and BTW...anything and anyone can get dinged, even the pros, so it's not just "lazy" or "irresponsible" people.)
    And the incessant fees leaching everything from someone.
    And so on...

    The burdens keep piling up...the requirements keep adding up...yet nothing is returning value as much.
    So how are you to live life if you constantly anchored down??
    Just one more thing...

     
  10. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    A little diversion to recognize the 50th anniversary of the passage of the Wilderness Act of 1964 signed into law by LBJ protecting 9 million acres of federal land "for the permanent good of the whole people.."

    "A wilderness, in contrast to those areas where man and his works dominate the landscape, is hereby recognized as an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where man himself is a visitor who does not remain."

    I wonder if today's Republicans would vote for such an act, given their lack of concern for the environment and their desire to privatize and commercialize as much of the US as they can.

    Fortunately, with additions over the years, 109 millions acres in 44 states are designated as wilderness areas.

     
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  11. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    And just like that...Keystone becomes a moot point in the US...and Canada has got a new angle.
    Keystone Be Darned: Canada Finds Oil Route Around Obama

    Hmm...America isn't the only one that can play the oil game, kids :rolleyes:
    Frankly, if this helps Europe and others get more oil and away from the manipulations of Putin...then I'm all for it. (man, if he figures this out, he'll be fuming)
     
  12. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    In honor of election day...
    You know the phrase, "You get what you pay for"?
    Well, you also get what you vote for. (or don't vote, too)

     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    OMG! Finally. Yes.
    And all it took was an Independent Socialist to propose it. (yes, kids...Bernie is a real socialist...not just called one as a name or rhetorically)

    Makes sense, the two main parties would never allow anything to change the status quo. Even if it potentially hurt them.

    Can we expand that to a Constitutional Amendment to add a few things???
    Money in Elections (no more, this is "free speech")
    PACs
    Corporate donations (no more, corporations are people too)
    Gerrymandering
    Voting Rights
    and so on...
     
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  15. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    I've been pushing the idea of making voting day a national holiday for years.
    It only makes sense.
     
  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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    I would like to see a model like Oregon's voting exclusively by mail or at some point voting mail/online.

    Oregon's "turnout" is always among the top since it was enacted.
     
  17. redux

    redux Very Tilted

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  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The man's brain is on cruise control... :rolleyes:
     
  19. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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  20. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    There are many factors that have come into play to reduce a typical person's worth and income over the years.
    Whatever Happened to Overtime?

    Salaries,
    "At Will" laws
    Benefits
    Job definitions
    24/7 business cycles
    Utilities
    Food prices
    Gas prices
    and so on...