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Politics What is happening????

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by pan6467, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Yes! Yes! Yes! Get them entry level jobs, let them learn and develop skills. Let them earn some money. You have a problem with that?

    Unionized workers get fined too. I bet I could go into any work place in the US and find offenses. If Walmart violates the law in highly questionable ways, regulators should put them out of business. If the fines are somewhat routine and not material isn't that a different issue?

    Many unemployed young black males are not getting any form of government assistance, reverting to crime. Hell, even the schools they went to or go to are substandard. How about that, rather than worry about Walmart how about fixing urban public schools. Or how about a focus on making sure students can get to and from school safely and live in safe neighborhoods! Seems like there are many far more important things to protest or work on before we get to Walmart.
    --- merged: Dec 4, 2013 at 12:27 PM ---
    If Obama leaves me alone, I leave him alone. Don't need his help with my healthcare. If he wants to help others, fine.
     
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  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    You don't have a choice.

    Funny how that works, eh?
     
  3. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    That must be why crime has surged lately.

    Oh, wait ...
     
  4. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Average entry level pay at $8+change...below poverty level. The average overall full time hourly wage for Walmart employees is $12.83 Try feeding a family on that (particularly after losing SNAP benefits)

    And its great for the community as well when minority owned small businesses cant compete and go out of business leaving those owners to take those $8+ entry level jobs.

    There have been thousands of EEOC complaints against Walmart in recent years in every state and every region where Walmart has a store....just the latest.

    I agree that states should invest more in distressed communities (particularly those with low tax base) in job training/workforce development, education, etc. instead of cutting these programs to give tax breaks to the wealthy.[/quote]
     
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  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    U.S. fast-food workers walk off jobs, rally for higher minimum wage - The Globe and Mail

    It's interesting that this issue is getting more attention and more action.

    I don't know about raising minimum wage to as high as $15 all at once, but I could see going from $7.25 to somewhere around $10, which is the low end of calculated living wages. The minimum wages in Canada range (provincially) between $10 and $11, but some argue that that's too low and should be closer to something like $14.

    I would think that going in stages (e.g., $7.25 to $9 or $10 before going higher) would be better in terms of minimizing the negative economic effects.
     
  6. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    That would be prudent, yes, but the negative economic effects of raising the minimum wage are greatly overrated. The demand for minwage workers is economically inelastic, meaning that changes in the price have a less than proportionate effect on demand.
     
  7. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    I think several posts up we addressed that issue. There are negative economic effects (yes, often exaggerated) that tend to overshadow the positive effects.
     
  8. Spiritsoar

    Spiritsoar Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    New York
    I don't know about the other reasons, but I don't understand why Wal-Mart always seems to be the target (along with McDonalds) when it comes to wage debates. They pay their employees the minimum wage. If that's not enough, isn't the minimum the problem, and not the company that pays it?
     
  9. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    With Wal*Mart, it's not just the minimum wage. It's also keeping some employees at hours just below full-time to keep from providing benefits and union busting when the employees dain to push for collective bargaining. This is all aside from their predatory business practices that destroy small businesses and leave small towns with gutted high streets in favour of box stores.
     
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  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    There are also issues of employee treatment and working conditions.

    Not to mention their product sourcing practices.
     
  11. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    That too.
     
  12. Spiritsoar

    Spiritsoar Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    New York
    Ok, ok, I get that. But that's not what I see in the news. I'm always hearing that they don't pay a living wage and that they don't take care of thier employees and so on. If minimum wage isn't enough to live on, shouldn't there just be a higher minimum wage? I've worked at McDonalrds when I was younger. They do the same thing with the just under 40 hours. But I didn't go into the job expecting benefits. They were upfront that I would be a part-time employee, and what I would be paid. Why does it always seem to be the same few companies that are targeted?
     
  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC

    Well, to give them the benefit of the doubt...there is the fact that they are HUGE.
    And they employ so many people.

    However, where there is smoke...often there is fire.
    People aren't stupid...and they'll put up with a lot, most of the time.
    So if Wal-Mart...keeps showing up on the radar, again & again...I'd say there may be a problem.

    I don't know. I've seen their stores...often they don't look so hot. (then again, neither does K-Mart, etc)
    But then I look at stores like CostCo...which has the opposite rep.
    Theirs looks efficient and clean...so in the end, you get what you pay for.

    What would you rather have? Pissed off people and rot from the inside?
    Or employees that crow your name...and give back what you give.
    Your choice.

    Circles and cycles can go either way.
    I'd rather have the stairway to heaven.
     
  14. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    As @rogue49 says it's because they are the paragons of what they do. Discount retailers? Walmart, right? (Over 60% market share.) Fast food? McDonald's, right? (20% market share—fast food is way more competitive.) Now look at what they do. Now see how huge and profitable they are.

    But it's true. The problem is way more widespread than these two companies, but as with most things, focusing on the big fish will often lead to changes to the whole pond.
     
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  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    "Why are record numbers of Americans on food stamps? Because record numbers of Americans are in poverty. Why are people falling through the cracks? Because there are cracks to fall through. It is simply astonishing that in this rich nation more than 21 million Americans are still in need of full-time work, many of them running out of jobless benefits, while our financial class pockets record profits, spends lavishly on campaigns to secure a political order that serves its own interests, and demands that our political class push for further austerity. Meanwhile, roughly 46 million Americans live at or below the poverty line and, with the exception of Romania, no developed country has a higher percent of kids in poverty than we do. Yet a study by scholars at Northwestern University and Vanderbilt finds little support among the wealthiest Americans for policy reforms to reduce income inequality."​

     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    More on minimum wages. This short article does well to outline how things aren't neatly cut and dried, or perhaps as obvious as we may think.

    For example:
    Minimum wages: The logical floor | The Economist
     
  18. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Finally...a shot across the bow.
    I doubt this will be the final say...but at least a portion of the court is now getting involved with US citizens' decreasing right to privacy.

    Now don't get me wrong, I understand the possible need to retrieve info to analyze patterns to prevent terrorist actions,
    but there is too much so at the moment...with the potential of irresponsible usage of all this collected.
    The brakes need to be put on to slow down...and define restrictions, retrieval, retention and disposal times.

    However, I don't agree with what Snowden did, how he did it and how much he released.
    He should be still prosecuted.
    There was a more appropriate, less extreme & damaging way to do this.
    His method would be exploding a populated skyscraper to demonstrate that building codes were not being followed.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    This is big...another potential win for privacy.
    Employers are not transparent, nor do they tell employees everything...why should employees need to let them know?

    Not only can circumstances be unfair, as stated in the article.
    But the reports are not accurate or kept up to date often.

     
  20. Street Pattern

    Street Pattern Very Tilted

    Wait -- there's such a thing as a "National Council of Chain Restaurants"?
     
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