Politics Trump - What has he done now???

I wonder if there are enough Democrats that are willing to cut back on their oil and gas usage to offset the money they will try and make by pumping tar sand through the KXL?

 

Trump is a shyster/con man, and out of touch with reality,
but he's not an idiot. I wonder if he was/is smart enough to put numerous layers of people between him and the illegal activities to give him plausible deniability.

I'm thinking Trump University alone--out of many questionable dealings--would be enough to bring him down.

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And fuck having the taxpayers pay for the SS to protect his globetrotting family members conducting private Trump business.

 

I follow the money right back to the oil, gas, and coal companies who are funding the right wing media, funding conservative think tanks, and funding politicians (and funding Republican competitors if they aren't towing the line). I view this money, (a large part from the Democrats and Progressives who haven't done enough to cut back), as being used to control state government and shaping the type of society that we have as well.

 

I have been hearing that energy sources like coal, and oil, are going to be in the decline regardless of what the Republicans do. Market forces are a thing and those market forces are leaning towards renewables and other alternative sources of energy.

It will take a lot longer, given the regulatory drag in the US, but change is coming.

 

Coal will be in decline, especially for power plants. The older ones are breaking down or being replaced, and new ones aren't being built. Even China and India are cutting back. And while I wish renewables were being adopted enough to offset them without any problems, there are some practical difficulties in setting enough up to be reliable all the time. I think energy efficiency, cutting wasteful uses of energy and future technology should be the main push now. The wind, solar, and grid improvements will be good to have now and in the future, but the real big project that this generation should work towards is energy positive fusion. And it should be given a large section of the budget with tens of thousands of scientists and engineers, along with a big support staff to move things along quickly. But Trump won't be doing any of that, and is outside the scope of this thread.

Oil use is a bigger issue and I don't see it going down anytime soon. Not like it should be. People are having too many kids, people are living longer, the choices they are making are often to not conserve oil, governments are subsidizing it, countries are dependent on the revenue from it, and some want to drill as much as they can to hurt other nations and companies economically. Even if it isn't used in vehicles, oil will be made into plastics, fertilizers, ship and jet fuel for much longer.

 

Good trump - keystone pipeline approved!

 

Rollover and let the nice oil company scratch you tummy.

 

Wouldn't it be more like....

Get on all fours and let the unpleasant oil company fuck your ass.

 

Ahh a true bully / intellectual response.

No comment about how it passed environmental review from 4 states, about the thousands of jobs created for construction, the 156 million in tax revenue, the domestic revenue of 5 billion from the construction, or how protestors have caused damage of over 2 million dollars by creating fires. How over a trillion is sent outside of the country for purchasing oil, and how this can help make us more energy independent.

I remember when tfp used to have real conversations, which is why I returned, sadly I forgot how liberals like to bully and not have discussions on facts.

 

My comment is not bullying, I'm not attacking anyone's opinion or POV; it's actually sarcastic humor based on the "belly rub" comment, which I did quote. Edit--Snide comment removed. Intellectual has never been used to describe me, unless it included ly and challenged.

Much of what you posted in support of the pipeline has been refuted. In fact your post reads like a press release from the companies which will profit from TKP and/or the Trump press office. BTW that's only an insult if you lifted the wording from other sources without making them your own; it's a compliment if you wrote it mostly yourself.

You mention returning to TFP. IIRC--and I could be wrong--your previous posts were little more than intentionally contrary statements clearly made to be argumentative. As opposed to taking a stand for something in which you actually believe and generating respectful discussion.

Please do stick around. Some TFPers will gladly argue with you, but I will not. In fact, if you seriously enjoy Pit Bull arguments, there is a TFPer with whom you should discuss feminism and Israel. While I don't support that member's refusal to acknowledge gray areas, I do respect their doggedness in a general way.

 

No comment about the environmental damage the tar sands are causing. How they are one of the most polluting types of way to get oil? How they have caused a shift in the political and social climate in Alberta and the Midwest to be Pro-Oil no matter what? And how we could easily have cut back our oil use instead by not giving large trucks a pass on fuel economy rules and handing out low interest loans for the large percentage of truck owners who only use them to commute and go grocery shopping. How about the impact oil company money has on think tanks who write policy papers, right wing media who talks about that and gets funding from the oil companies, and then the politicians who act on that issue while being funded by the oil companies?



Then you have the problem of the landowners who got rich by being lucky and getting bought out by the oil company, yet the people nearby watched their property values go down and have to put up with all of the traffic and pollution. There is no way that this will help at all with "energy independence". If it helps to bring down the price of gas and diesel by adding more supply, the price will come down and the dirty gas hogs will just buy more for their 10mpg vehicles, boats, and toys.

 

As an American "programmer" who thinks the entire industry and education system needs to be fixed when it comes to computer programming and the job market to specialize more...(is tough if you specialize in a language that becomes obsolete though). I also wonder how many American kids want to go through the process and if there are better opportunities if you choose something else? I know I would pick something else if i were 18 again.

The tricky thing is that Trump doesn't care if he hurts the liberals out in Silicon Valley/San Francisco that use H1B visa holders and those who have overstayed tourist visas. In fact, his supporters would think it is a good thing (even if the use the products).