Politics The Probe

So Counselori Giuliani is going to submit a report on his findings in Ukraine.

Who in their right fugging mind would believe anything Counselori has to say?

And a question to which I've yet find a satisfactory answer: What the hell is Counselori doing involving himself in our foreign policies?

 

Yeah, I don't get the desire for the Democrats to give Trump a big win on NAFTA 2 and give him a big talking point in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Do they think that they will get votes from the workers who lost their jobs to Mexico because "they can work with Trump and aren't being obstructionists"? It was a big miss on the Obama Admin to not come out with a version of this however.

As for racking up the charges, I think the media has reported on them all for the people who care. I would worry that by having too expansive of a case would cause it to drag on and on, and the Democrats want their primary candidates to be getting the main media coverage by February. Let's see if they can win the media time battle though.

But yes, the conservatives are cheating and playing dirty, yet I worry that too many people will believe that both sides are corrupt and would cheat for it to shift too many votes.

 

I saw that too. The Democrats are learning that the Constitution left a lot of loopholes that an unscrupulous person could use to get around the law. And this Senate and President are willing to do whatever it takes to remain in power. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch declares that you can't impeach a President in an election year. And if Trump did win, he would impeach him and remove him from office at 11:00 am on inauguration day so Pence could Pardon him.

 

Pence could pardon him from Federal charges, but not from State charges.


I seriously wonder about Trump. Anybody with even a small amount of intelligence knows that running for public office, esp POTUS, opens your life to microscopic examinations. Trump somehow managed to get elected despite his questionable history (thanks to the timely, for him, Perfect Storm of Discontent). But he had to know being POTUS was going to encourage some people to examine him even closer. Is he so dense, so damned stupid, he thought being POTUS would make him an untouchable king? Or so narcissistic the thought of being questioned never occurred to him?

 

Republican leaders in the Senate have made it clear:

They think the impeachment proceedings is politically motivated and should not have happened.

They are, and will continue to, work with the Trump (I think they prefer to say The White House because that term is more generic and less controversial) to defend against the charges.

They have no intention of listening to the evidence and making an impartial judgement.

They have no intention of using their power to call witnesses who could clarify what Trump did and didn't do. Provided they actually told the truth and didn't develop convenient selective memory loss...which will be moot.

They have no intention of impeaching Trump.

I have to give the Republicans credit for being right about one thing: The current impeachment process is a travesty. And i give the Republicans credit for making it so.

 

If they delay sending it to the Senate, then the Senate should bring it to the supreme court to force them to do their responsibility.

But then again the 6th amendment did not matter to the house so whatever...

 

If this were a criminal prosecution, then the 6th amendment would be relevant.

 

An impeachment isn't a criminal trial, it's more like a grand jury and those can take as long as the prosecutor thinks is necessary to get the indictment.
They also have an entirely different standard of evidence.

For that matter, impeaching a president has an entirely different standard of charges.
When the Founding Father were planing out the executive branch there was a group, Franklin and Hamilton were the leaders, who wanted it to be a three person committee instead of a single person.
They didn't feel any one person should have that much power.
When it was decided that there would be one person, there was language put in the Constitution for Congress to curtail that power.

The wording High Crimes means simply abusing the role of president.
Clinton getting a blowjob while it was consensual sex was abusing his power.
The dynamic was way out of wack, it was similar to a teacher fucking a student.

So many things 45 has done have been abusing his power as president that it is too long to list.
Congress stuck to the most simple to explain so it would get across to everyone.

 

True regarding the 6th amendment. Does not mean that not being able to confront the witness, and look at what the persons stances and biases are affect the credibility of the testimony.

I doubt anyone here can disagree that the whole Impeachment fun so far was all one sided and the republicans witnesses was denied.

I think it will be fun, I cannot wait for the trial. Or better Pelosi sitting on the articles and then having it either Nullified by the Senate (possible) or end up at the Supreme court.

Either way approval ratings are going up, similarly as to what happened when Clinton got impeached.

note: Whoops can't remove the pic, I love the monarchy line though...I didn't intend to post that.