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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    First World problem: Having to use well-established political recourse and/or your resources and freedom to emigrate in response to a situation that is decidedly lacking debilitating authoritarian oppression and wholesale summary executions.

    I was tempted to post this in the thread about moving away in response to an election, but it will fit here as well:

    Where would an American conservative have to go to find a conservative base like the one they already have in the U.S.? I thought about it for a while but had trouble. Let's keep in mind that Romney, despite his loss, more or less garnered just shy of 50% of the popular vote. I mean, really: 48% despite the circus the GOP ran. That's pretty good, right?

    Where else could an American conservative go to find more conservatives than they already have at home?

    Where in Europe? I can't think of anywhere. Not Canada. Not Australia.

    Maybe somewhere in Africa? Asia? Surely the Middle East!

    Honestly, this whole deal about leaving is silly. I think conservatives are still the largest political bloc in the U.S., and this proportion is much higher compared to pretty much every other developed nation I can think of.

    Anyone else have any idea?
     
  2. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    what is the black vote for democrat 95%? even if 1% voted for romney it would be higher than 1 vote. i mean if you look at the results (if they are accurate from this article) it looks like a computer glitch to say the least.



    Read more at http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/12/election-fraud-barack-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts/#kiFCWOlAIDv5Qp66.99
     
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Yemen? Second to the US in guns per capita.
     
  4. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico

    Hey why don't you go look at the precinct results for Utah County, Utah where Romney got 142K and Obama got 15k for the entire county with 132 precincts. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess there's a lot of 500 or less pop. precincts where Obama got -0- votes.
     
  5. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    i'd like to see all these 0 votes for obama, it might make me feel better. 0 votes in a precinct that has hundreds of voters just seems impossible. to receive 99% of the vote in over 100 precincts is impossible. if you buy it that's fine, but i dont. this is the same type of thing that cost gore the election in 2000. i know the left would be pissed with these results if the roles were reversed. if there are election discrepancies they need to be called out to keep integrity in the voting system no matter who's side you're on.
     
  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Yemen's ruling party is nice and right-wing and stuff, not to mention very well-established (basically a one-party state). While I'm sure that there are many parallels in the politics, there's that one problem of Arab nationalism.

    But, hey, when you have one guy running for president in the elections, you can be damn sure to keep those bloody liberals and socialists out!

    I wonder if these American conservatives who want to leave would be willing to convert to Islam.
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    Apparently Texas and Louisiana have the necessary number of signatures. What's left? The presidential okay and the states' respective political will?

    :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    62 million people voted for Obama. 59 million voted for Romney. There are tens of thousands of voting precincts in the US. Toss 62 million blue marbles and 59 million red marbles onto a really large map of the US and then draw tens of thousands of random, oddly-shaped boundaries. Odds are, you'll end up with several boundaries which contain only one color marble. Now, imagine that like marbles tend to cluster together within boundaries, and the number of one-color marble boundaries you'd expect to see would increase even more. That's my gut feeling.
     
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  8. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The latest petition: Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.

    Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.​

    Only 24,000+ signatures to go!
     
  9. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Hah. I can never stop loving Aussies. :D
     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    You know it's a conspiracy that conspiracy theorists think that there's conspiracy all over...

    Personally, I'd just like to get all the votes counted first, before we start on secondary ambiguous questions.
    Arizona, California and several other states are still counting...and this DOES affect results.

    Nothing ambiguous there.
    They exist!
    count!

    ---------------------------

    Interesting...but that would make correct people just as bad. (but a nice pointed way of saying someone is wrong)

    Rick Perry has already stated that they aren't going to try to secede.
    Sanity prevails.

    All I know is that there are a lot of extreme sore losers out there.
    You should look deeper into yourselves.
     
  11. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed

    petitions to secede aren't exactly something new...

    but I gotta say, when Rick Perry is the voice of sanity you KNOW you're fucked.
     
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  12. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Well I went to bed last night before pursuing this further but by looking at the Utah web site it looks like you might have to write for an official request. But I've been through Utah County Utah (one of the reasons I sought it out.) It's full of small hard core Mormon towns and villages. They're white, I'm white but just stopping at the gas station I often felt uncomfortable. If you're not from there, one of them you're not welcome and they pretty much make sure you know it. It's like entering another country or world. I'll bet if you do get the individual counts from precincts you'll find plenty smaller ones, 2-500 voters, that ended up being 100% Romney. I can't pull a Romney and bet you 10k but I would bet you $100, real money payable through paypal.

    UPDATE- Forget the bet, you'd have lost. I found the results on the Utah County's official site. In several precincts, for example-AF06S, AF14, LE01S, LE06S and LE21 Obama received -0- votes. Many others where he received 3,5 or 6,7 votes or 3.5%, 5.8% and so forth. Also noticed a couple where he was awarded one vote.

    The PDF is here if you want to view it-

    http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/ClerkAud/Elections/ElectRslts/2012General/sovc.pdf


    I'm actually with you on the machines. Too many people are reporting problems. And exactly why to the people administrating or selling the machines fight paper receipts? If they issue a paper receipt to each voter when some of these places go 100% of one candidate it's going to be pretty easy to prove foul play if folks start showing up with proof they voted for the other guy. I saw one county elections official (no idea what state) in an interview state the reason they don't do paper receipts is it's a cost issue. That same guy minutes later stated, when asked about voter ID, said "Look we can offer an official state or county ID for free to all voters if it's a problem of people not being able to pay the cost of a DMV issued ID." Hmm, what do you think cost more, some ID card's and the staff it would take to issue them or an ATM like receipt? Granted not everyone is going to run down and get a free ID, many folks already have some type of ID that would qualify. But I'd bet each ID card would end up costing maybe a 1000 times more then some little slip of paper documenting each voters vote.

    If people in the US read about an election in some third world country where people were voting but there was no hard copy of the votes I think many would think it was a sham election.
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    And while we are arguing and comparing results in the extreme,
    the overall trend is still growing for Obama.

    That's right...all the votes haven't been counted...in many places.
    But as they've slowly done so...the margins are getting bigger in Obama's favor.

    So, the election has been already conceded...it's over.
    But we're not likely to find out the final tally for some weeks while the lawyers, clerks and bureaucrats get their mess in order.

    Meanwhile, the numbers left behind...and politics as normal has started again.
    SOS
     
  14. ASU2003

    ASU2003 Very Tilted

    Location:
    Where ever I roam
    Blame the Republicans for gerrymandering the districts so well.
     
  15. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    This year, 59 divisions (precincts) in PA.

    In the past two elections:
    And, Obama fudged the Oct unemployment numbers and the liberal media rigged the pre-election polls to favor Obama.
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    And Obama "was elected on the basis.. that Romney was a poopy head and you should vote against Romney."
     
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  16. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    wow, i'm impressd. that document was a bitch to read with the candidate totals on diff pages.

    ok, you're right though. there are a couple that have zero votes for obama. the ones i saw the turnout was very low and the one had 3 voters turnout and others showed no voters at all? it doesn't approach anything like hundreds of precincts in ohio.
     
  17. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    I'd say each receipt would cost between 0.5 and 5 US cents (depends on a number of factors), whereas a plain ID card (no chip) can run up to US$ 2 (if mass produced).
     
  18. Look at the idiotic way the Congressional districts are drawn, especially in eastern PA, to consolidate blocs of votes. Actually, it is surprising we don't see more of these lopsided results.
     
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  19. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    I
    I think if you go back and look you'll find a couple places where the votes were in the 100's and Obama got zero. Could be wrong but even if I am rural Utah is not exact downtown Cleveland when it comes to population. I'll bet in many of those places women don't vote. Like I said it's almost like being in a foreign country. Also where does Obama do well and where does Romney do well? In large metro areas Obama hauls the load, in the rural areas Romney pulls the masses. If you felt like going through them, the ones you could find on-line anyway, I'll bet in places like Kansas, Texas, Alabama, Idaho maybe even my home state of Oregon (which went Obama statewide but is a very divided state- blue in the valley and red on the coast and out east) you could find precincts where Obama got zero votes.

    I looked but couldn't find the results per precinct for Tillamook Co. but I'd be very surprise if the "Beaver" precinct gave even one vote to Obama. That's the first placed I moved after finding work when I got out of the Navy. It's in Southern Tillamook Co. and it's as red neck as it gets. People there will happily tell you they're not voting for the black guy because he's black. Back when Thomas was confirmed for the SCOTUS one nieghbor yelled to the other "I can't believe they put that ni**er on the Supreme Court!" It was big talk at the "Log Cabin" Store/Restaurant/Post Office Boxes (no mail delivery out there.) I heard a bunch of old dairy farmers talking about how "that 'blackie' gonna be givin' all his buddies free welfare and dem' food stamps, we done for now!" "Boy howdy, ain't we screwed." I made the mistake of mentioning Thomas is a pretty hardcore conservative. "What?! They ain't no ni**er what ain't liberal and sucking off the gov'ment teat." "You hear this guy? He think Ol'Blacky's a conservative!" "Boy you flat lander's really is dumb." Calling someone a flat lander in rural Oregon is about the same as someone in Mississippi calling someone "city folk."

    Of course that was 30 yrs ago but I don't think things there have change much. Hell in that area of Oregon I don't think things have changed much since the Swedes, Dutch and Germans first started dairies there in the early to mid 1800's and the only route in or out was via sailing ships. Tassi O'Neil is the county clerk and I happen to know her pretty well. Every time I go home I end up having lunch with a group from the courthouse, if I see her I'll ask.

    And yes the document is a bitch to read. As I read it it made me wonder just what their ballot looked like. I mean Romney is bunched in with Const. party and the Libert. party candidates around page #150 and Obama doesn't even appear in the results until like page #210. Was the ballot written the same way? Though I highly doubt in places like Utah you have to hide Obama's name to keep people from voting for him.
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    I think producing the ID card would cost a lot more simply due to the staff it would take. You have to verify stuff like place of birth, date of birth, current address etc. Plus the cards would have to be produced with a photo. I think your numbers are correct when it comes to the cost of the card itself, the paper receipt I think would be less then .02 cents each.
     
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  20. Remixer

    Remixer Middle Eastern Doofus

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    Yeah, you got the other factors right. The pricetag I gave is only a rough one for the machinery and consumables costs of card production and personalization.

    There are other issues such as gathering of biometric data, number of security features, IT infrastructure, labour, and distribution systems.

    However, I would imagine most of the above are already established in the US, and would only need minor expansion, if any.