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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    This is worth a read. It speaks to the state of politics where it becomes a zero-sum game, where opponents are not seen as adversaries, but enemies.

    Although it's not explicit, this speaks volumes about the state of American politics, especially on the eve of the presidential election.

    Michael Ignatieff's timely warning on the politics of fascism - The Globe and Mail
     
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  2. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Evidence that the wealth divide is a myth? We don't sleep on dirt floors and food is such abundance we're all overweight.




    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/sympathy_for_the_1.html#ixzz2AyYLprG4
     
  3. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Yes of course that makes perfect sense and completely rebuts the point that a few hundred people are hoarding HALF of all the money in the entire country.
     
  4. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed

    If Husted and Scott are true reflections of the modern-day GOP, then democracy has gone to hell. Sadly, I don't think the far right or teabaggers will stop their agenda regardless of the outcome of this election, basic human rights be damned. They'd rather cry over self-made conspiracies about Benghazi than look at the scope of the American populace as a whole.

    The story of this election: Florida vs Ohio for the title of Election Fuckery Champion.
     
  5. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    I think it's Florida's turn. They're already having issues with early voting.
     
  6. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed


    So is Ohio.

    Last-Minute Ohio Directive Could Trash Legal Votes

    There are suppression attempts in virtually every state, whether it's redistribution of districts or bomb threats like in Winter Park, Fl, the Miami-Dade fiasco or other such bullshit. The GOP likes to scoff and claim it's just a myth perpetuated by Dems, but these events make it more than obvious that it is ingrained in their new party agenda. Sad to say the least.
     
  7. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    i have been wondering what, if any, mechanisms there are in the united states to invalidate a presidential election.
    i don't necessarily think that it'll come to that, but i wonder what mechanisms might exist.
    the system in the states is designed as if the legitimacy of an election is given--just as the way the vote is counted (bye excluding blanks for example) are designed to create an impression of legitimacy regardless of what happened.
    if there are no such mechanisms, that'd be the opening that enables the conservative machine to imagine that such actions will, in the end, not do more than create a degree of static.
    you'd think this sort of stuff would invalidate the conservative machine.
     
  8. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    So is Virginia...where they are going back & forth on vote fraud by a GOP firm.
    Problem is the State Attorney is trying to not move on it. (BTW, he's GOP)
    Link


    And it's occuring in other states too... link
    Is there any integrity left??
     
  9. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed

    The problems is two fold in regards to suppression. First, we have power mad senators and secretaries of state and governors who go against all moral judgement to pass laws designed to make it harder to vote. When the Dems made an emergency hearing in Fl. to extend early voting hours, the GOP quickly responded by appealing and then creating fiascos such as Miami-Dade. The criminal Gov. Scott refuses to acknowledge any such emergency is in place to allow those extended hours carried out by judges, but he seems to forget that putting more of a burden on early voting in order to allow one party easier access to their traditional method of voting is in and of itself an emergency. When Miami-Dade re-opened, then closed with the mayor going into hiding, then re-opening again, it set a sour tone and mass confusion. Some counties around Palm didn't even advertise that they were open and had extended early voting even though judges required them to do so. Then the bomb scare in Winter Park, you would have to have a very narrow mindset if you didn't believe a radical GOP teabagger was behind that. Oh, and then of course Miami-Dade closed early the day after they already committed one act of idiocy the previous day. Charlie Crist is spot on in these matters.

    We have morons in Az. making calls to minorities giving them wrong dates, times and places to vote.

    We have teabagger groups such as "True the Vote" coming out in millions to "observe" elections, but over 80% of the precincts they'll be "monitoring" are in heavy minority areas. In other words, they're going out to watch the Blacks and the Hispanics and if they don't like the lines they'll start a ruckus in order to try and preserve their white bread brand of so-called patriotism. Interestingly enough, the acts they perpetuate are the very anti-thesis of patriotism but naturally, it's gods or guns. :rolleyes:

    Then we have idiots in OH trying to bully and sway the voting process with legal action. I think it will be defeated ultimately, but I'd be willing to bet there are thousands who simply won't go out to vote because they don't want to get involved in the mess.

    So while we have other problems in regards to the House and Boehner's stupidity and unwillingness to even consider one word that comes from Obama, the greater wrong, the greater evil, is this pervasive and disgusting mass attempt by the GOP to suppress the voice of the people. Voting is one of the greatest pieces of democracy and to silence voices for no other reason than reckless attempts to control power, lends me to believe that it's not Obama who is the socialist/communist, but rather this "patriotic" teabagger collective that is a cancer in our country.

    rogue49 so in the basic answer to your question - No, there is zero integrity left in this party and hopefully they will receive a resounding defeat.

    /end rant

    roachboy I've been wondering the same thing lately as well, but I've come up empty trying to find anything.
     
  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    OK, then that comes to the next question...

    Let's say they do lose (because if they win, it will reenforce the "say whatever" method... :eek: )
    They're already predicting that the GOP will be in a serious factional civil war...either way.

    Will they learn their lesson, become more inclusive...compromising...work within reasonable limitations?
    Or will they ride on rhetoric, extreme idealogy and no compromise??

    I just get the horrid feeling they'll double-down on stupid.
    In the GOP these days, it's not the moderates that have the podium...but the ones that scream the loudest and most often.
     
  11. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed


    Moderate GOP members are leaving in droves. Which leaves an even bigger question for the civil war which will happen even if they win. If Obama wins, the red rage will reach a tipping point and we'll endure more Fast and Furious and Benghazi conspiracies and sadly, we'll see some of the more radical groups resort to violence in a number of ways. So yeah, they'll double down on stupid, but without a moderate voice to lend any credibility it will spin out of control and then fizzle out making them all but obsolete. If Romney wins, they'll claim they were validated, that they are the true patriots and for a few months, they'll double down on stupid, until they realize the Senate won't cater to their needs, rendering their candidate as ineffective as Obama, if not more so, causing them to either fizzle out, or try to get bigger morons like Ron Paul in place.

    It's an interesting commentary that will play out either way.
     
  12. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    Four and five hours to vote... national embarrassment.
     
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  13. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    Very third world stuff.
     
  14. samcol

    samcol Getting Tilted

    Location:
    indiana
    where is that at?
     
  15. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Very Tilted

    Location:
    Yucatan, Mexico
    According to my friend he waited 4 hours plus today in Miami. Hearing the same about parts of Ohio.
     
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  16. Random McRandom

    Random McRandom Starry Eyed

    samcol

    Massive lines in Fl. especially in Miami-Dade and Orlando.

    Looks to be the status quo for most big cities in the battlegrounds. 4 hour waits in Orlando and up to 3 in Miami-Dade, some reports of 3 or more in Ohio.
     
  17. Charlatan

    Charlatan sous les pavés, la plage

    Location:
    Temasek
    I am always amazed at how messy voting can get in the US. For a country that prides itself on being #1, it shouldn't be this messy.

    Voting should be easy, accountable and accessible.

    And not subject to the whims of State politicians.
     
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  18. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    It should be completely independent of politicians. For those of us elsewhere, it does all look a bit "third world", indeed. Sorry.
     
  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Compared to what I've experienced here in Canada, it would seem folks here bend over backwards to ensure you get to vote.

    And here I was thinking that voting accessibility was a matter of course in stable democracies.
     
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  20. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    there is a conversation about the american slide toward neo-fascism on democracy now:

    Democracy Now!

    listening to it reminds me the extent to which the left has been pulverized in the states. it's distressing, even as it is an island in the vast sea of fatuousness that is the major media...