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Politics The Elephant in the room...The GOP today

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    the word that springs to mind is banal.
     
  2. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Ace, I literally LOL'd at this. What are you talking about? This really confused me. Maybe I missed something in the study. Were the subjects children?

    Okay, maybe you don't want to take the study seriously. That would explain why you ironically called what I wrote unnecessarily diversionary. Clever. You may deride the study as "pseudo-intellectual," but being anti-intellectual about it isn't a balanced response.

    Before you resort to ad hominem, you might want to revisit our exchange. It's irrelevant because the U.S. seat on the U.N. Security Council (one of five veto-wielding seats) doesn't amount to anything that would support the idea that the U.S. has a unique feature or a special status shared by no one else. You are the one who doesn't understand. It is irrelevant. It's not my opinion. It's fact. If you know something I don't that suggests otherwise, you haven't told me. The ball is in your court.

    I was talking about your claims, not you. If you don't understand why I've made a point, then talk about that, not me. Ad hominem isn't the way to go.

    I take what you write seriously. It would appreciate it if you did the same with me.
     
  3. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    Why do I get the feeling that I'm Ms. Claus standing between an argument of Heat Miser & Snow Miser? :rolleyes:

    It would be better if I was Mother Nature, at least then I could throw a lightning bolt.

    Then again, it's the same listening to the Dems and GOP.
    So then, are the Dems/Left "Snow Miser" and the GOP/Right "Heat Miser"???

    I guess that would make sense...the Blue & Red, the North & South.
    --- merged: Jan 8, 2013 at 3:01 PM ---
    Now this is what I would prefer...
    Moderate Republican group to remove ‘Republican’ from name, welcome Democrats

    Emphasis in "getting things done"

    Remember, in a mud fight, it goes both ways, everyone gets dirty.
     
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  4. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    Just playing along with the diversion. Wanna play more?

    Under Obamacare a child is? 26.
    Under international law a child is? 18.
    According to my mom, when she was a live, I would always be her child and she reserved the right to treat me like one - "boy (45 years old), you better eat something green, stop eating all that GD pizza".


    My attempts at humor may miss the mark, but no matter how one looks at the study, objectively, it has a major flaw.
    --- merged: Jan 8, 2013 at 6:27 PM ---
    I love you too.
     
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  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    What do you mean playing along? What do you mean play more? You're playing with yourself.

    Some say we are all God's children. But sometimes he just doesn't come through. Maybe he needs a woman to look after him.

    Oh, I see. You were joking the whole time. If you want to drop the diversionary humour for a bit, would you be a pal and enlighten me?
     
  6. Alistair Eurotrash

    Location:
    Reading, UK
    What is that major flaw? Is it that you believe that everyone will lie if the reward is something they want? If so, I disagree.
     
  7. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    The conclusion drawn from the study was that Econ/Bus. majors have an increased tendency to lie. Roach attempted to use the study to support his ideological view of capitalist. People who place a high value on financial reward will have an increased tendency to lie for that reward compared to people who place a low value on financial reward. The study only proves, in my view, that Econ/bus. majors place a higher value on financial reward. These kinds of flawed studies get quoted and used frequently to support flawed points of view.

    I enjoy making light of these psuedo-intelectual pursuits. But it is sad that the state of higher education comes to this, it is sad that many people won't look at these things critically. And it is worse that often public funds are used for these kinds of studies. I wonder, should I just write a request for a grant? How about this:

    Who has a greater tendency to lie? 20 year old males or 80 year old women. Here is how I would do it.

    Each subject will be presented with a picture of a 20 year-old female, with nice bodily proportions. Each time the subject tells a lie the next picture will be of the same female with less clothing.

    I am not certain, but I am going to take a guess and say 20 year old males will have a greater tendency to lie. Given the study of course!

    Seriously, common sense tells us the people asses the risk/reward ratio when deciding to tell the true or to tell a lie. To understand a person's or group's tendency one has to understand that risk/reward equation for that specific group. the best way to get to this equation, you have to take time to understand the individual or group in question - i.e. if you want to understand when, how and the frequency business people would tend to lie, one would need to understand how they are calculating the risk/reward relationship given the specific situation.
     
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  8. roachboy

    roachboy Very Tilted

    ace, ace, ace... for the record, i posted the study after i read it because i thought it funny in this particular context because it pointed to a correlation between obsessions particular to you...the endless cheerleading for some abstraction called "capitalism" which, like everything else with you, means whatever you want it to mean, processed through some one-dimensional championing of "virtues" like selfishness and greed, which i doubt seriously that you live by in real life, and your inability to stay on track logically.

    i also find it funny that, in attempting to make the study go away, you resort to exactly the same moves that prompted me to find the study amusing with respect to you in the first place.

    so you just keep right on demonstrating the fit between it and how you operate, ace dear. you're doing a great job so far.
     
  9. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    What does capitalism mean to you? If you characterize what I do as cheerleading for capitalism, what do you call what you do? Are you a capitalist?

    One big difference, when I have a bias or an agenda, I admit it.

    He says it best, and it is true to my core, no pretense:

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    You know who else was all that he was and that's all that he was?

    [​IMG]


    After all that, we still aren't any closer to understanding the enigmatic Aceventura.
     
  11. Aceventura

    Aceventura Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    North Carolina
    I am among the most non-enigmatic people you would ever come across. You have demonstrated a tendency to make wild assumptions and read unnecessary complexities into clear and declarative statements. If I say I like blue - to you it would read Ace doesn't like red or that Ace is ignoring yellow, or that Ace doesn't know what blue is. Or, he's doing it again...making one of those bad...bad...bad...analogies...after all we are not talking about the color blue...why is he talking about the color blue...oh...he is so enigmatic.;) I think I got it.
     
  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    No. That's not it at all.

    I make assumptions because you have the propensity to talk about anything but what the rest of us are talking about.

    For example, we talk about capitalism, and you talk about primary colours.

    Anytime I make assumptions about you, it's because you aren't making yourself clear despite my attempts to draw more out of you by reasonable means. It's like playing Battleship. I try to see what hits.
     
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  13. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    OK, you know you're not doing so hot when your primary opponents are teasing you publicly about your recent fiascoes.

     
  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    “Rape is a four-letter word — don’t say it,”
    I think the problem is not the WORD...but it's the mindset behind the comments.

    It's like the N-word...in the end, it's a word...but what it represents, especially when used by people in certain ways that reflect what they think.

    But I guess, you have to make them aware, especially by their own group...before they can start grasping what's truly wrong.
     
  15. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
  16. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Despite the 40th anniversary of Roe v Wade this week, the assault on women's reproductive rights has never been greater.

    Many of these state bills/laws will ultimately fail the constitutional test, but the right keeps finding new ways they hope will provide a way around Roe. One that is growing is regulating clinics to the point that they just can no longer meet new unreasonable standards. I believe N. Dakota and Mississippi are soon to have no clinics anywhere in the state that provide abortion services.

    Despite the fact that support for Roe is higher than anytime in the last 40 years, according to polls this week.

    The election was another indicator that the Republicans are on the wrong side of the women's reproductive rights issue. While overall, women supported Obama at about the same margin as 08 (10-12 points higher than Republican challenger), the margin for women between 18-35 years old was over 3:1.
     
  17. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Abortion laws (and lame regulations) as far as I can tell are rooted in religious ideology. They make as much sense as sharia law does. (Well, less sense, depending on the context, i.e., sharia law applying to family disputes that can be managed outside of the court system. Unlike these abortion laws, which apply to everyone, regardless of faith.)

    Here's a good rundown of those in the "race to ban abortion":

    It's Roe v. Wade's 40th anniversary: Alabama, South Dakota, and Mississippi aren't celebrating.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2013
  18. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    The new twist from the right is to connect abortion to gun control and criticize Obama, supporters of Roe and pro-choice advocates as hypocrites for advocating gun control as a means to protect children while failing to protect a fertilized egg or a nonviable fetus.

    Sarah Palin is the latest:
    Gee and I thought the hypocrites were those who support a fetus as a living "person" but oppose programs to support those people who might need assistance (health care, food programs, early ed programs...) outside of the womb.

    Or oppose programs to prevent unwanted pregnancies through greater access to reproductive health care.
    --- merged: Jan 24, 2013 9:37 PM ---
    And how about religious hypocrisy?

    In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses arent people.
     
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  19. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC
    I'm being to see Obama as Yankee-Doodle Pigeon to the GOP's Dick Dasterdly...
    Stop The Pigeon!

    /what did he say? what did he say??? :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2013
  20. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    My advice to Ryan and Republicans....

    Obama is not the problem. Look in the mirror, fools:

    [​IMG]

    Tea Party vs corporate, country club conservatives
    Libertarians vs evangelical social conservatives

    And no real leader (each wing has its own wannabe leader) to herd this band of stray, combative cats.