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Politics The 4th Estate - Media....is it truth or fiction? TFP pundits will examine.

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by rogue49, Nov 5, 2012.

  1. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    ^ My wife.

    Except she tolerates the news only because
    I insist on watching it & reading it.

    Seriously.
     
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  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    I guess money can buy anything
     
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  3. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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  4. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Likely both.
     
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  5. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    The shit has hit the fan...you had the diarrhea.
    Going to take a lot to clean up.
    Good luck with that shit.
    Customers don't wanna eat in a place that smells and is unsanitary
    Go figure... :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    More than a few people have questioned Musk's financing of the Twitter purchase.

    How Elon Musk funded $44 billion Twitter deal

    If Twitter starts/continues bleeding out financially, could we see legitimate investors bailing out? See groups with questionable agendas buy some (more?) control of Twitter?

    It's fun to see Musk's vanity purchase failing, but the fallout could be intensely complicated.
     
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  7. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Elon Musk's Twitter girds for surge in U.S. midterm election misinformation

    That is a very misleading title. The article shows how Twitter is clearly unprepared for the anticipated* onslaught of misinformation, esp with Musk encouraging people to vote Republican.

    I don't think Musk's timing is an accident.

    * Anticipated is usually red flag for me in what I call real news, as opposed to op-ed news. In this case I think anticipated is based solidly in fact.

    Mentioning Twitter & op-ed...
    How long will it be before NPD Trump is allowed (welcomed with open arms) to post again? From what I can tell NPD Trump has none or very little of his own money invested in Truth Social; he'll walk away from TS the same as he has many of his vanity projects.
     
  8. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    https://theconversation.com/how-the...-his-new-run-for-president-responsibly-194122

    Thomas E. Patterson offers some solid -- and conflicting -- advice on how journalists can cover NPD Trump.

    Much of what NPD Trump says can be clearly shown to be false, but he also mixes fact, fiction, & opinion. Refuting those comments frequently involves, I'll say requires, at least some op-ed from journalists. When statements aren't black or white, or right or wrong, the gray area has to be explained.

    There would be one very clear way to reduce NPD Trump's presence in the news: Don't give him coverage simply because he says and/or writes something stupid or outrageous. The downside of this when his comments hit social media there would be little or no challenge to their validity.
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    https://www.theleaderonline.com/single-post/endorsement-robert-zimmerman-for-us-congress-ny3

    https://www.theleaderonline.com/single-post/santos-filings-now-claim-net-worth-of-11-million

    (I'm aware that) The discussion of George Santos is in the What's Happening thread.

    I'm posting the links here to show that solid journalism also exists in small news media such as community newspapers, like The North Shore Leader.

    I'm biased: BA Journalism, Minor PolSci. There aren't a lot of openings with the major news publications. The good news is you get some solid journalism at some small newspapers. The bad news is you get news suppression at some small newspapers (and big ones).
     
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  10. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    At least when it wants to be.
    They should call it entertainment.
     
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  11. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    A recurring theme at FOX: Protect our brand and our ratings.

    Misinterpretations, half-truths, unreported news, & blatant lies presented as news all in the name of the brand, ratings, & profits.

    I don't subscribe to the Wall Street Journal (a great insomnia cure, IMO) which is another Murdoch owned news publication. I wonder what it's record is for covering NPD Trump, & the lawsuit against FOX.
     
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  12. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    No joke, no exaggeration. :mad:
     
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  13. Chris Noyb

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    ^^^
    There used to be some sound advice / an old adage regarding plotting something illegal:
    Don't put anything in writing.


    Related, sort of...
    Now if we could get the Secret Service, and other responsible agencies, communications from Jan 05 & 06, 2021.
     
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  14. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

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    Now question is, can there be consequences???
     
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  15. Chris Noyb

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    Carlson did this while FOX News is being sued for intentionally presenting lies as news (redundancy for emphasis). This kind of blatant stupidity has to have Murdoch's approval, at minimum silent consent.

    Edit: The Repubs overall won't go after McCarthy. Can the Dems, with Repub help, get him removed?
     
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  16. Chris Noyb

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  18. Chris Noyb

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    Yes.

    Absolutely not a 1st Admendment issue. The evidence clearly shows this was a series business decisions made to exploit a hot topic (kept alive by FOX) for profit. FOX made no effort to separate real news (as they loosely define it) from what should've clearly been identified as Op-Ed.

    Edit: The big question is how do you punish a news media outlet? Beyond $$$ punishment. Can fairness in reporting be enforced (that's a steep slippery slope)?
     
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  19. Chris Noyb

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  20. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

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    Judge says Fox has a “credibility problem” after Murdoch revelation

    Did FOX intentionally hide Murdoch's position as an officer at FOX "News," or simply stay quiet expecting the prosecution to find the info?

    If his position was clearly listed in the SEC filings as FOX "News" claims, how was it overlooked by Dominion's legal team? That would be extremely embarrassing.

    What communications were missed because of this? Can they be obtained & used?

    If I were the judge I would question the ethics of FOX' attorneys, & the competency of Dominion's attorneys (and my staff).
     
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