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Politics The 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    That's a libertarian drink.
     
  2. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    What does libertarianism have to do with fermented piss?
     
  3. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    libertarians drink illegal moonshine. Hipsters drink pbr or some hop-smoothie microbrew.
     
  4. Lindy

    Lindy Moderator Staff Member

    Location:
    Nebraska
    Well, I guess at least one of the candidates has big hands...:rolleyes:
     
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  5. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Most hipsters are basically libertarians.

    Except the hipsters among them.
     
  6. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Most hipsters are SJW liberal authoritarians, hence the problem glasses and often brightly colored hair (aposematic coloring exists in people too it would seem).
     
  7. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    While it's tempting to use SJW as a snarl word to criticize authoritarian moonbats, advocating for social equality of all persons isn't authoritarianism.
     
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  8. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

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    I have found that more often than not the people who use the word SJW are the same people who would have called me a faggot for having long hair in the seventies, told me to get a job because I had a mohawk in the eighties. or told me I was being un-American because I suggested that maybe there was something wrong with the idea that everyone got Christmas off but I had to use my personal time to take Yom Kipper.
     
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  9. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Now that's something else entirely.



    Not completely unrelated:

    Does anyone know what the opposite of SJW is?

    It's "misanthropic unethical coward" ( or "MUC," pronounced "muck").
     
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  10. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    It's almost as if they're not doing that at all, and what they're actually doing is engaging in an often violent and often criminal campaign of toxic authoritarian and puritanical censorship of everything they dislike while hiding behind pathetically transparent claims of "advocating for social equality of all persons" as a means to smear anyone and everyone that doesn't join their cult. Which would be why even the President of the United States of America has publicly condemned their ideology and tactics multiple times.

    Unless of course you somehow think things like violently accosting someone for having dreadlocks while shouting "let go of me" to pretend to be victimized is somehow "advocating for social equality of all persons".

    The term SJW exists specifically because these authoritarian moonbats as you call them wrap themselves in the language and rhetoric of "advocating for social equality of all persons" in order to con people like you into defending them.

    This is an SJW pressing herself up against an old man whose hands are in the air away from her, screaming a false accusation of him touching her breasts, and using that to violently throw him off a high ledge and nearly kill him. Notice the massive crowd supporting her and cheering her on. She did not act alone, she was not a "vocal minority", she was supported by a very large group of people.

    This is a segregationist SJW attacking a white student because of the color of his skin and his hairstyle, shouting false accusations like "let go of me" while she is the one violently attacking him. She was also not acting alone and has seen an outpouring of support from the student body.

    Notice that in both cases these are people who are specifically using the language, appearance, and rhetoric of Social Justice to not only shield themselves from criticism but smear their victims further. Thus: Social Justice Warrior.


    You have that backwards. The people defined as SJWs are the ones who would accuse you of apartheid, genocide, ethnic cleansing, modern blood libels like organ harvesting, and then violently disrupt your Yom Kippur service. They would also likely violently attack you for "cultural appropriation" with your hair styles while simultaneously pretending you are attacking them in an attempt to get you arrested.

    SJWs are the people who will openly side with pro-suicide bombing, pro-terrorism, pro-enslaving-women lunatics and blood libel spewing white supremacists solely for the chance to further demonize the jews.


    Considering an SJW is defined by their racism, sexism, and often criminally violent extremism the opposite of an SJW would be someone like Dr. King. The single defining trait of an SJW is intolerance. Intolerance in the form of sexism, intolerance in the form of racism, intolerance in the form of segregationism, intolerance expressed through bomb threats and death threats, intolerance expressed through violent personal attacks, intolerance expressed through ostracising and un-personing anyone that doesn't virtue signal hard enough, intolerance expressed through silencing anyone and everyone that disagrees with them...

    and most of all, all of this expressed through an utterly bankrupt facade of "advocating equality for all persons".
     
  11. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Is there a pro-social justice body that prescribes a definition of "SJW" as anti-social justice, like you describe? Otherwise, this seems like a big straw man argument to me.

    I neither called authoritarian moonbats SJWs nor SJWs AMs. Trans-exclusionary radical feminists and Black supremacists are AMs. Neither truly advocate social justice.
     
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  12. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The problem as I see it is that politically incorrect assholes use SJW as an umbrella term to smear virtually anyone they disagree with.

    It's a term rendered meaningless by misuse and overuse—kind of like terrorism and socialism and a bunch of others. You're better off being more accurate in your language lest you come across as ignorant or belligerent or both.

    "Political language—and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists—is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."​
    —George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language" (1946)​

    The problem comes down to this: People slap an impoverished (ironic) "SJW" label even on actual (unironic) "social justice warriors." The well has been poisoned. Stop drinking from it.
     
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  13. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    Unfortunately the extremists in any group are the ones who receive the most attention. That applies to any group you'd care to name.
     
  14. redravin

    redravin Cynical Optimist Donor

    Location:
    North

    I can not agree with this more.
    The minute any of these terms get into use they become toxic and useless.
    Anybody who uses them gets tarred by association so it's just easier to be accurate with your words and avoid the damn terms entirely.
     
  15. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    At which point you're forced to change terms again as the people most accurately described by them continue to very effectively use their smear tactics to force you on an unending treadmill of apologia, no-true-scotsmanning, and "How dare you"-ism.

    SJW is not an umbrella term used by assholes to smear everyone they disagree with, misogynist is. It is not a term rendered meaningless by misuse and overuse, it's a term with a specific tangible definition that continues to be incredibly applicable. The people demanding it's abandonment are themselves either SJWs are Useful Idiots(tm) stirred to grab their pitchforks and torches by the exact kind of smear tactics, toxic attacks, and violent intolerance for dissent that the term SJW exists to define.

    SJW literally exists as a direct response to the endless refrain of "that's not not true feminism that doesn't count!". Your response now to its use is literally the exact same as the original complaint which led to its creation in the first place. There's absolutely no reason to give up its use, it's working exactly as intended and identifying exactly the people it was intended to.

    Which is why SJWs find the term so intolerable now. The whole point of SJW was to sidestep the disingenuous tactic of smearing someone as a misogynist for daring to oppose a self-proclaimed "feminist" while simultaneously defending "feminism" by claiming that SJW was not in fact a "true feminist" and therefore didn't count. That whole trick doesn't work when someone uses a term specifically referring to toxic bigots that use the language, rhetoric, and appearance of "social justice" and "feminism" as a sword and shield.

    Of course that is utterly unacceptable. Of course those same people are going to do everything to attack that term. Of course they're going to claim that the only people who use it are themselves nothing more than sexist bigots and assholes... just like they claim that of every single person on earth that dares to disagree with them on anything, ever.

    If you want to talk poisoned wells that you should stop drinking from start with the one that's full of violent criminals and bigots that's held up by nothing but endless accusations of misogyny and sexism at everyone who doesn't act like a loyal party member.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    This is the point where I say, "Whatevs...."

    I have only so much tolerance for such scattershots of irony, conjecture, and binary thinking.
     
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  17. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    Or we could talk about how state/local law enforcement (as well as FBI and DHS) consider right wing anti-government violent extremists to be "the most severe threat of political violence that they face."

    Right Wing Extremists are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

    https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Schanzer_Law_Enforcement_Assessment_of_the_Violent_Extremist_Threat_final.pdf

    Or how violence and harassment against abortion providers and clinics are at record high, directly or indirectly a result of a series of bogus videos by right wing anti-choice extremists.

    Planned Parenthood Videos Linked to Violence Against Abortion Providers - US News
     
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  18. wye

    wye Getting Tilted

    Shadowex3, please link the most prominent source you can find which gives "a specific tangible definition" for the term SJW.
     
  19. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    The Oxford Dictionary defines social justice warrior like so: "informal, derogatory A person who expresses or promotes socially progressive views."

    Wikipedia: "a pejorative term for a person expressing or promoting socially progressive views, including advocacy for women's rights and civil rights. The phrase originated as a laudatory term for those engaged in social justice."

    Rational Wiki: "a pejorative term used to dismiss the concerns of liberals, progressives, feminists, and supporters of political correctness. It implies either varying degrees of affectation and self-aggrandisement, or a strident and hectoring zeal, in those engaging in social justice arguments."

    Conservapedia: "a leftist who calls attention to some (real, imagined, or exaggerated) injustice in society in an excessive, inappropriate, and often ineffectual way. The term is a pejorative for those who engage in identity politics and political correctness. A large percentage of social justice warriors are secular leftists."

    Choose your definition, and follow some of the links for more context, but I think it's generally agreed by rational-minded people that it's now a derogatory/pejorative term. It no longer means what it originally meant. Anyone wishing to be taken seriously when it comes to critiquing things or forming an opinion on issues should avoid such terminology.
     
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  20. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    It's almost as if you've just demonstrated how left wing extremists are defended by left wing moderates.

    Rational-minded people being axiomatically only this who you agree with. As always.


    Argue against an SJW
    Step 1: "How dare you argue against a feminist, feminism is equality, you're against equality and a misogynist!"
    Point out the SJW is objectively as anti-equality as you can get but calls themselves a feminist
    Step 2: "That's not a TRUE feminist, you're a misogynist!"
    Start using the term SJW to identify SJWs instead of the term Feminist
    Step 3: "You're just using that word against feminists, you're a misogynist!"
    Goto 1.