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Politics The 2016 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Tilted Philosophy, Politics, and Economics' started by ASU2003, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
    I think the Democratic Party's aversion is directed more to the increase in post-Citizens United "dark money" rather than PACs. Or, the rise in non-profit organizations that described themselves as "social welfare organizations" but whose sole purpose is to engage in political activities but are not required to disclose the source of their funding.
     
  2. rogue49

    rogue49 Tech Kung Fu Artist Staff Member

    Location:
    Baltimore/DC

    You're not going to get money out of politics until there's a Constitutional amendment.
    Financial regulation
    Voting regulation

    Question is...who's got the balls to put themselves out there like that. Too much conflict of interest, not enough spine (on the Hill at least)
     
  3. redux

    redux Very Tilted

    Location:
    Foggy Bottom
  4. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    The good news is that it kind of looks like Obama is finally out of fucks to give, and might not just appoint a liberal but a real firebrand. If the Senate fails to confirm, it's huge political hay for the Democrats.

    And frankly, though I know I should be more sensitive, Scalia was such a ginormous douche, my best reaction is just to hope the metaphysical door doesn't hit his soul in the ass on its way to his next life.
     
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  5. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    I will not celebrate death. I didn't celebrate when Bin Laden died, I didn't celebrate when Fred Phelps died, and I will not celebrate Scalia's death either.

    But damned if this isn't going to make things more chaotic. It's going to be an interesting year.
     
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  6. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    Scalia's death has the potential to substantially upset the political balance of the Supreme Court. The Republicans have so much at stake if they want to maintain their entrenched power (with regards to both the conservative-leaning Supreme Court and the Republican control of Congress). This is just another thing to help them along in losing their collective minds. I think if Obama appoints a progressive justice, and it actually goes through, this in addition to Trump's continued popularity will feed into a definite existential crisis for the party. Trump continues to distance himself from the Republican establishment.
     
  7. Stan

    Stan Resident Dumbass

    Location:
    Colorado
    Same, I won't be celebrating anyone's death; but I won't be missing him.

    I see no chance that Congress will approve anyone that Obama nominates and no chance that he will pass up the opportunity to tweak them (nor should he).
     
  8. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    Isn't it sad that we expect the people in power to screw things up even worse?
     
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  9. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    For those more knowledgeable than me (and I haven't yet done any research)...

    Is there enough time for Obama to try to get a SCJ appointment through the process?
    If yes, will Congress reject that nominee just to wait to see who the next POTUS is?
     
  10. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    For the record, I believe the longest Congress has ever taken to confirm a Supreme Court nominee was around 125 days. Obama's got around 350 days left. He is Constitutionally obligated to nominate someone, and the Congress is Constitutionally obligated to confirm any reasonable and qualified nominee.

    If Congress fails to confirm a reasonable and qualified nominee until after the next president is inaugurated, it would be a failure of government on an unprecedented scale. Certainly the biggest outright neglect of Constitutional duties by any Congress since the start of the Civil War.
     
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  11. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member



    It typically occurs in 2-3 months. There have been a few rare exceptions where a lame duck president allowed the election to impact the choice (LBJ comes to mind), but none this far out from the election.

    If there isn't a confirmation by the inauguration it'll be a bit surprising, and I think most of the blame will fall on the GOP. Unless Obama picks a WAY, WAY left leaning choice, in which case the blame may be split somewhat.
     
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  12. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX

    Thank you, gentlemen.

    The individual and collective intelligence on TFP is impressive.
     
  13. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    Split, if the nominee is too lefty? Let's remember, the GOP are the same folks who thought Clarence Thomas was a great choice to replace Thurgood Marshall. Pretty sure they have no ground to stand on in such a situation.
     
  14. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    1) I made sure to capitalize both of the qualifiers on 'lefty'.
    2) I wasn't speaking to my thoughts, more as to how the media and public may end up perceiving it.

    I fully understand that part of the privilege of electing a POTUS is getting to appoint SC Justices that align with that given political persuasion. I was speaking in general terms.
     
  15. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

    Location:
    The Windy City
    Fair enough, sir!
     
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  16. Chris Noyb

    Chris Noyb Get in, buckle up, hang on, & be quiet.

    Location:
    Large City, TX
    JMO...

    While any POTUS can do many things to affect the US, the number of Jutices he gets appointed to the Supreme Court is perhaps the most important. Those justices will be around making major legal rulings decades after the President is gone.
     
  17. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    McConnell is already posturing like they're going to reject any nomination Obama makes, but it's so much bluster. The repubs will get crucified if they actually attempt to obstruct an appointment for that long, and I don't see any way they could possibly not know that.
     
  18. Borla

    Borla Moderator Staff Member

    This is more speculation than anything.....but given the attention this will get, does Obama throw an initial nominee out that he KNOWS will get shot down, so that he can then nominate a more palatable choice, knowing that the Dems can make huge political hay of it if the GOP won't let the second one go through?

    Say, throw out someone like Pam Karlan? There would be a solid argument that she's a credible candidate. Former Deputy Assistant Attorney General, was mentioned in the past as a replacement for Souter, but someone that Obama knows the GOP would fight tooth and nail. Nominate her, let the Senate fight against it for several weeks, spin it in the media to the Dems advantage, then withdraw the nomination and put someone else up for it who is more moderate? The way I figure it, if they win the first fight and Obama says "fine, I'll move to a more moderate candidate" they can't fight another qualified nominee without looking like they just want to be obstinate for the sake of being obstinate.


    Not saying he SHOULD do this, or it should be necessary, but I would think this type of strategy would at least be considered by his advisers?
     
  19. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

    Location:
    Mars
    Not that this has ever stopped them before.
     
  20. Derwood

    Derwood Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    They can (and will) fight everyone. They said DURING THE DEBATE that their goal was to delay this all year