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Tablet: iPad, Kindle, Nook, oh my!

Discussion in 'Tilted Gear' started by PonyPotato, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    Notes plus. It's pretty sweet, though occasionally it gets really slow.
     
  2. Zweiblumen

    Zweiblumen Slightly Tilted

    Location:
    Iceland
    I don't think it is an e-ink issue, I have not yet seen a small screen device that can display all (most) pdfs properly. I have tried phones, smart phones, palm pilot and eReader to name few. I think the biggest part of the problem lies in the fact that the pdf format is so printing (page) orientated. The result is also affected by the application that created the pdf file.
    And cynthetiq you are an Apple fan now, you just haven't realized it yet :)
     
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  3. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    I've been using my hacked HP Touchpad (running cm9, Ice Cream Sandwich) as a replacement for my linux laptop in class for some time now and with the exception of the one class I had to do serious writing in it's really been all I need. For what you want evernote or springpad, dropbox, and FBreader on android would be almost perfect. FBreader is an excellent ebookreader that's very customisable, dropbox you've probably heard of, and the other two are multi-machine syncing note programs. I haven't used springpad yet but in evernote you can seamlessly type up notes with pretty much any formatting you'll need (highlighting included), switch to drawing a diagram to attach to the notes, and when you get back to a PC have all that automatically synced to the computer client.

    Pretty important for something this mission critical. Ipads make wonderful toys, my mother loves hers to pieces, but you do not own or control them. Apple owns your ipad, Apple controls your ipad, and Apple will not hesitate to let you know this by forcing the issue when they feel like it.
     
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  4. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure that if Apple an interest in exercising the type of control that you claim, iPads wouldn't be widely jailbreakable. A lot of tablets come with functionality crippled, this is why you have a ROM on your touchpad and not WebOS. And I wouldn't be entirely confident that cm9 (or any number of other ROMs) doesn't have any illicit backdoor functionality built in.

    I agree that out of the box, there are things about the iPad that suck. No access to the file system. Apps available only via the app store. These things are annoying. However, they are the types of frustrating things familiar to most mobile device consumers, because manufacturers and service providers routinely cripple the functionality of their devices before the public has a chance to use them. That's why I had to root my android phone to get rid of the Nascar app that I never wanted in the first place.

    I hate to be an apple defender, because fuck apple, htc, google, motorola, etc. On the other hand, it seems like every couple of months someone figures out some illicit shit that these mobile devices are doing behind our backs and publicizes it. To claim that apple is exceptionally bad seems an exaggeration to me. I think iPads are marginally worse than every other mobile device, and that they all suck in as many ways as they are awesome.
     
  5. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    I have always been an Apple fan since my computer was an Apple ][+ and my first progamming languages were Apple BASIC and 6502 Assembler. I just don't want to pay the premium for their devices unless I see it worthwhile. Trust me when I tell you that I debated long and hard between the Samsung Galaxy Tab and the iPad2.

    I use ezPDF Reader: Appstore for Android on my Droid Incredible. It looks fabulous albeit small, meaning that I have to zoom in and then move from side to side to see the correct section I want to see on my small format screen. It looks readable because it stays as a native PDF and the screen refresh as you move the screen is decent. Even on the largest Kindle DX screen a PDF doesn't look so nice during the time you scroll and refresh the screen. The Kindle Fire has a regular LCD so it doesn't have that issue.

    Converting via calibre or amazon email screws up the document because it doesn't know what to do with the header and footers, slamming them into the middle of the page, same with page numbers. God help you if you have a PDF that is all image based with no text that you must OCR. I have to use ABBYY Finereader to fix that crap, not to mention it also figures out actual images and turns them into images that text can flow around.

    I wish I could stay with Android products, but I have to say that all iterations of Android have left me standing alone where I've had to be the person to manage the product. Android tablets leave lots to be desired because Google has fragmented the marketplace so much with the different OS variants and developers haven't really developed tablet only applications to really make an Android tablet experience one that is compelling. It feels like a giant screened cellphone with apps that are just embiggened to the larger screen size, not developed to tweak the UI for a better tablet experience.
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    I don't get it. Why then did you change your HP? I mean you don't think that people actually hack their ipads and ipods? Of course they do.
     
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  6. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    And apple's hostility to that kind of full ownership is bordering on being religious.
     
  7. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I ended up buying the new iPad. Just a 16gb model, and I hope that will be enough. Now I'm on a mission to figure out what items and apps are must-haves. Like a screen protector.. If I'm using a nice case, should I do it anyway? What are the best apps for school productivity and opening/editing ms office docs? I've got a lot to learn!
     
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  8. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
    Toronto
    If you're using it mainly for school productivity, and you're not going to be big on photos, videos, music, gaming, etc., that should be enough. You can do these things on a small scale, just not as an "entertainment central." Though you've made it clear what its primary purpose is.

    As for the other stuff: Sorry, I can't help you. From what I've heard though: a keyboard attachment that also acts as a stand is the thing to have for notetaking, etc. It basically turns your iPad into a laptop temporarily.

    Something like this: iPad 3 Keyboard Case | Folio Cover W/ Wireless Bluetooth Keyboard | ZAGGfolio. However, this doubles as a case, which you already have. So maybe something a bit less sophisticated/multipurpose?
     
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  9. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    I was going to get the zaggfolio, but I want to try to keep the small form factor.

    thus, I'm getting this...


    View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dmLsIKtkg



    Touchfire Screen-Top Keyboard
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    as far as apps, I'm using Documents to Go Premium because it also syncs to a desktop, so that my files are accessible where I'm going to need them without having to email them to myself or use Dropbox or some other cloud service.

    I'm not using a screen protector aside from the apple cover. I just got a Marware MicroShell Case because I wanted to keep it as lightweight as possible. I just got the shell the other day and it seems to perform well enough with the Apple cover. I plan on getting a matte screen protector like I have on my ipod touch to diminish glare and fingerprints.
     
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  10. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    A coworker has a case that looks like an old book. It's so neat. It makes me actually want an iPad.
     

  11. Some app ideas here
    Must have iPad apps | The TFP

    Have fun.
     
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  12. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    That wrist position is pretty bad, ideally you want to be typing on as close to a flat surface as possible to avoid getting ipad-wrist. If you seriously plan on using this for school I second the suggestion for a keyboard-case, your wrists will thank you. When I started laying my touchpad flat (counterintuitive as it seemed) mine did quite quickly.

    I do suggest some phantomskinz though. Infuriating to apply but I've heard ipad screens aren't as tough as gorilla glass.
     
  13. Bodkin van Horn

    Bodkin van Horn One of the Four Horsewomyn of the Fempocalypse

    It also depends on what type of notes you're taking. I put a lot of time in some notation-heavy math courses, and so most of my note taking was done via stylus with the iPad flat on a table. Ugh. I don't even want to imagine trying to get any substantial amount of typing done on the iPad's native keyboard.
     
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  14. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I will be using a stylus, so having a small lift will be good.

    I may eventually get a keyboard, but not yet. I'm not getting a keyboard case.. My neck will hate me worse than my wrists, believe me. I found a case I can live with, ordered screen protectora, a good stylus, and a sleeve, so once I figure the apps out, I think I'm set!

    cynthetiq, does the documents app convert to pdf? That is kind of a necessity to use notability, which I love so far.
     
  15. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    Trust me, I'm speaking from experience here when I say that the neck may start out whining a bit louder but the wrists can lodge a far more impressive complaint in the long term.
     
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  16. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I've been in treatment for neck pain and cervicogenic headaches before, as well as having a history of whiplash. If my neck hurts, it affects my cognitive function and stays with me for days. I care a lot more about my neck, thanks.

    Also, I'm in physical therapy school - you think I don't know about dangerous posture and its effects on the body?
     
  17. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
    New York City
    No there is no way to make any off on the fly from any document editing software that I k.ow of without a pdf type plugin or step to convert from doc to pdf.

    I use my desktop to do the conversion. I see some apps but can't comment on there usage. Since you WiFi I think you would be best served with an offline converter.

    I'm going to look into a stylus. I gave near considered annotations on pdf materials.

    As far as typing on any touch/small format, I can't do more than a couple sentences.
     
  18. PonyPotato

    PonyPotato Very Tilted

    Location:
    Columbus, OH
    I ended up downloading documents unlimited for $5, so if it turns out to suck, I haven't wasted a ton of money. I think I have my process down now:

    1. Download ppt, doc, or pdf files from class website.
    2. If ppt or doc, use documents unlimited to convert to pdf, export to dropbox.
    3. When file is pdf, open in Notability, take notes.

    I also found another app I'm really interested in - iAnnotate - but I think I'm going to give it a month or so before I pony up the $10 to buy it. Trying to stick with free for now if I can!

    For any major typing, I'll go back to my laptop - that's why I'm using dropbox. To take notes in class effectively, I hand write them (I often draw pictures), so that's why I decided on a stylus.

    I *think* this is going to be useful for me, even if just eliminating most of the paper I carry back and forth. I went through 2 black ink cartridges, 1 each of 3 colors, and two reams of paper just to print notes, papers to read, and assignments in the last two quarters. I think downsizing that to only needing to print assignments will save me the cost of the iPad by the end of the program at least, not to mention my body thanking me for not having to carry as much volume and weight back and forth from class!
     
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  19. Get AppAdvice, it's worth it.
     
  20. Shadowex3

    Shadowex3 Very Tilted

    iFaraday make some of the best styli i've ever handled imho. Because they've got a kind of cloth-and-substrate tip they've got an amazingly smooth feel with just enough friction that it doesn't slip away from you.

    Also pony no I didn't think that because, yknow, it's kinda rare.