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superbetter, a real life mmorpg...

Discussion in 'Tilted Life and Sexuality' started by highjinx, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. highjinx

    highjinx "My phobia drowned while i was gettin' down."

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    @sf- yea, im usually the same way. i try to hold myself accountable for my own mood swings and i would sooner pull my hair out than go to a motivational seminar or self help group specifically. but this last year i'm feeling very bleak about not having a "thing"... not just professionally but a real calling that i can feel like i'm achieving things in and growing in... and so far just wanting to find it and my normal routine haven't produced that. this superbetter definitely has elements of things i normally construe as silly but it also has a format that i've grown accustomed to in gaming that might be a ticket to me internalizing these good things that will aid me in that. i think it's just another way to learn things... through achievements in small steps... as opposed to learning from listening or seeing them in a class or reading about them.

    so far i leveled up to 5 and have 1 ally. i think things will get more popping in it when i get a couple more friends in my group on it.
     
  2. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

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    Weird. It hasn't asked me to look in the mirror and say how I love myself yet. So far it's told me to get off my ass and do things like move around and talk to people.
     
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  3. Strange Famous

    Strange Famous it depends on who is looking...

    Location:
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    Ok, I actually played it...

    If it is helpful for some people that's good for them. It isn't for me. Personally I find it patronising, and slightly demeaning. That's just how I took it. If you didnt find it that way then I am not having a go at you, just sharing my own experience of it.
     
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  4. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    A lot of it puts into action the CBT I went through to resolve my depressive behavioral patterns. It's nice to have something there holding your hand and holding you accountable. I know that if I were in the throes of a depressive episode, I would find it difficult to put my CBT into action. I would be interested to see how this really works if/when I get depressed again.
     
  5. Strange Famous

    Strange Famous it depends on who is looking...

    Location:
    Ipswich, UK
    All I am going to say is this. In "real life" if someone asked me how I was keeping and I replied "ah, not the best"... and this man looked me in the eye and said "why dont you do a google image search of a baby of your favourite animal?" then "don't patronise me" would be the exact thing I would say to the man. I might give him some extra language I wont mention here.
     
  6. cynthetiq

    cynthetiq Administrator Staff Member Donor

    Location:
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    I'm not trying to force it upon you, but it has given me choices, I didn't select the look up a picture of something cute, I picked whatever the other was. I guess you can find it patronizing, but I challenge one to think that it's about thinking and doing different so that you can expand one's horizons and achieve a better disposition.
     
  7. snowy

    snowy so kawaii Staff Member

    It's NOT patronizing. It's based on science. Looking at a picture of a baby animal is considered a positive stimulus.
     
  8. Strange Famous

    Strange Famous it depends on who is looking...

    Location:
    Ipswich, UK
    Maybe the way you feel is not the same as the way everybody feels?

    Like I said, for the people who like it... that's nice for them.

    You have absolutely no position at all to know how I react to something or how I take it.
     
  9. highjinx

    highjinx "My phobia drowned while i was gettin' down."

    Location:
    venice beach
    @sf- thats true, everyone has their own subjective experience, but no one is trying to talk you over a hump to get into this either. if you click the little atom icon at the top of the pages, it gives you scientific data that shows why these things work and just how often (usually) that they do work with people. thats what gets ME over the hump of feeling stupid when i go outside and high five a tree.

    of course it goes without saying there's no reason it applies to you just because it applies to the vast majority of the population.
     
  10. Ayashe

    Ayashe Getting Tilted

    I think this game could be useful for those types of people who liked to collect gold stars and prize pencils from the teacher but there are few therapies in life that are universal to everyone. My guess is that if Strange Famous is feeling annoyed and irritable about the game, he isn't going to gain much from it. Okay, there is scientific data etc.. but it isn't for him. If the same treatment always worked for everyone the same we would have little need for pharmaceutical research, new drugs, specialists etc... all we would need would be a dictionary.

    The game is dull, uninspiring and only a few of the exercises seem to have any practical benefit for myself per my own personal goals. I have better methods of achieving them established already. Maybe it will help someone dealing with their depression, cancer, losing weight or becoming a better vegetarian, I have no idea.

    I had a physician once explain to me his thoughts on why they call it the practice of medicine. They practice because they don't have it down yet.
     
  11. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    On the flip side, I'm sure there are many in the "it's not for me" camp who haven't given it a fair chance. Use it for a month and then let us know if it's not for you.

    Otherwise, how do you know? These are the sorts of things that work best over a period of time. Not after a few clicks and a couple of eye rolls. :rolleyes:

    Not everything is going to work for everyone, but that's why it has a multifaceted, customizable, multidisciplinary approach. To say "it's not for me" is, in a way, saying that therapy/coaching/guidance in general isn't for you.

    I'd be more willing to accept that the interface (the game component) isn't for you, and that you'd sooner want a real therapist or group session or personal coach/trainer or whatever.
     
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  12. Ayashe

    Ayashe Getting Tilted

    I think Baraka you have a good point if someone is dealing with some mental health related issues, but that is not what my personal goal is referring to. I am not depressed or suffering for some grief issues in dealing with a physical defect. I am perfectly content in my life to be quite honest. I checked the game out on this recommendation and to me, it hardly is deserving of being titled as a game as to myself there is zero entertainment value for myself.

    I read the OP that it was designed by a patient dealing with a concussion. I have experienced TBI personally so I thought I would investigate. My TBI was several years ago and I have already dealt emotionally with the ramifications of that. I was more interested if the game provided any value in the physical aspects which it really does not seem to do, at least not for myself. Considering I am several years out from the original injury, I have already reached a level of acceptance. I have had a very high level of personal motivation and was able to continue physical and mental training beyond what was provided through my medical care. It isn't for me, is that fair now?

    Not everyone needs therapy.
     
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  13. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    The game is sold more generally as something for those "seeking to overcome a major obstacle."

    Much of that is therapy-related but perhaps not necessarily based in therapy techniques. I don't know enough about the game to understand its full range of diverse techniques.

    No, not everyone needs therapy. However, I'll say this much: those who aren't seeking to overcome a major obstacle won't want to play this.

    Also: those who are already well-versed in what they need to do to meet their goals won't need to play this. If what they do already motivates them and they know how to steer in the right direction, then this game is unnecessary. Though some may want to try the game out for something new. Some may find new challenges in it. I think maybe cynthetiq falls into this category.
     
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  14. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    It is Pavlovian. That is the point entire, sir.

    Understand that you may be crazy disciplined and have no trouble finding the energy and motivation to go to the gym 14 times per week, but not everyone does. Some people have children and 60 hour work weeks. Some people enjoy active social lives. Some people know they should but damn it, just don't want to. If giving people a reward structure with which to contextualize and incentivize those activities helps said people become better human beings, then I'm all for it.

    The topic here is Gamification. Despite being a fairly recent concept, there's a fair amount of literature out there about it (and an Extra Credits video somewhere, if you're into that kind of thing). I think it has some very interesting applications in terms of behaviour modification. Sure it could be used for evil, so to speak, but the value of the tool is not predicated on it's worst possible applications.

    I've been having those thoughts myself lately; y'know, the whole 'I'm not getting any younger, should probably take a crack at getting truly fit again.' Maybe I'll give this website a try. And who knows? Maybe it will even work.
     
  15. Strange Famous

    Strange Famous it depends on who is looking...

    Location:
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    If I couldnt be bothered to go to the gym for myself, the fact some video game tells me to wont make me change my mind.

    I do not object to the principle of setting yourself goals or encouraging yourself to do things helpful for your own well being.

    I just dont find that a video game that tells me it will advance my level if I do things like look at a picture of a baby killer whale is anyway motivating to me.

    Like I said, to me it was simply patronising. The interface is by the standards of even the people who made it, entirely subjective. To somehow state that if someone doesnt like it there views are somehow unscientific is simply to say that the person making the statement does not understand what is meant by "scientific"

    I am not always eloquent, and I know that the way I speak and write sometimes is unclear, but I'm not an idiot. I understand how something makes me feel.

    _

    For ME, if I want to do something, I challenge myself in my own way. Whether or not I succeed, I dont need someone giving me a virtual "gold star" to help.

    And again, I am not criticising the people who find it helped them. I am asking you to consider that the way that something effects you (or the way it effects a group of people) is not the way it effects everybody.
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

    Location:
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    This goes beyond simple Pavlov and even Skinner. It's about changing the parameters of what's comfortable for you. The "quests" get you to do things you wouldn't otherwise do. It's changing your reference level of what you deem okay and then meeting the challenges of what's outside of that.

    The virtual "gold star" is beside the point. It's a part of the wider functioning of this system. Also, Strange, you're undermining the functioning of the system to think that looking at baby pictures is what this is all about. That was considered a first step. It's not lookatbabyanimalsandfeelbetter.com.

    But I get it if it's not for you. I know people who look at the more traditional tools and feel the same way.
     
  17. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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  18. highjinx

    highjinx "My phobia drowned while i was gettin' down."

    Location:
    venice beach
    i agree. it isn't for everybody. especially if you factor in time and where someone is in their life. i doubt it would have been for me at all a couple years ago.

    but currently, even though i am someone who's never been to therapy in my life or put myself through cbt, i'm finding value here. i see it as someone bothering to collect a lot of the habits and perceptions of the most generally successful and happy people in life (as much as you can measure that anyway). and i figure why not apply those things to my life? and while there is no guarantee that doing what these people do will get me to that same place in life, there could very well be facilitators in there that bring success and happiness to it. there's most likely a reason that these common threads of thinking positively and building yourself up through positive actions and steps (toward the resiliency they talk about) IS a common thread with people already there getting the most out of life. i'd be considered a very level headed well adjusted person in most estimations, but this stuff is opening doors in my head i didn't know were there.
     
  19. MSD

    MSD Very Tilted

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    CT
    I'm doing pretty well with my health goals based on the fact that my doctor told me that either I improve my diet and exercise or Wilford Brimley will find me and eat me. I may be remembering his exact words wrong, but I don't know how much a game is going to help me.
    I tried Second Life back in the day. I logged in, looked around as my computer lagged to a few frames per second, saw a quarter-mile-long flying penis soaring um ... majestically .. overhead, and decided it wasn't for me.
     
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  20. Plan9

    Plan9 Rock 'n Roll

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    Earth
    I want to drink with you. And watch The Thing.