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So what will happen when intelligent life is discovered?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Craven Morehead, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. Levite

    Levite Levitical Yet Funky

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    Yeah, no problems with aliens in Judaism, either. Actually, some of my geekier friends and I, in rabbinical school, used to have some fun stoned conversations about what to do in the event an alien wanted to convert to Judaism, or how to gauge whether an alien animal might be kosher....
     
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  2. evaderum

    evaderum Getting Tilted

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    I do, its a war of me against them to keep them away from my house when i see them marching closer. I've also had wars with gophers tearing up my yard

    It's understandable to believe that, and I think it's a nice sentiment. I would like to hope that our species on this planet can advance far enough to leave such self-defeating and undesirable qualities & tendencies behind. But it's possible that a newly discovered intelligent life would have different societies and cultures that we don't have on our planet, as well as a planetary/species history that differs from our own. I would prefer to believe as you do, that they would have come to be peaceful, but I can't dismiss the possibility that it could also be a hostile warrior race, such as Klingons or the Borg from Star Trek

    This is also a possibility. I'm reminded of the newer Battlestar Gallactica series, at the end the remaining survivors settle on a planet to start over

    since this thread has also been a little bit about the humanity of earth, ill link this one as well
    its a clip taken from part of a larger documentary

     
  3. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

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    why does everyone think that we'll instantly start a war with a foreign species? we won't even know what kills these things, not to mention human curiosity will win out before the human need for violence. we'll learn all we can from them first then we go about killing them over silly things like religion or resources or habitable planets or whatever.
     
  4. aquafox

    aquafox Getting Tilted

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    War is too fun to pass up. Kicking other people's asses is way too engrained in humanity.
     
  5. MuteyTheMailman

    MuteyTheMailman Vertical

    I find this whole discussion fascinating, largely because I find that the whole idea, the whole conversation about life on other planets is so freaking absurd. People who believe in aliens; I ask - what is your belief based on? There is not one shred of scientifically verifiable proof that aliens have ever existed or do. There is no proof of intelligent life anywhere else in the universe (yes, I'll say it; that we know of). Your faith is based on nothing! And people think Christians are crazy because they believe in a man who physically did exist on this planet, whose existence has been verified by various historical records. A Christians faith is based on something real. Something true. Something of substance. People who believe in aliens, what is your foundation? The substance of things hoped for? The evidence of things not seen?
     
  6. martian

    martian Server Monkey Staff Member

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    Well, Mutey...

    This thread is really asking two questions:

    1) Is there intelligent life?

    2) How will we as a species react when/if we establish contact with it?

    Statistically speaking, the idea of life on other planets seems highly probable. It's a fact that if you mix the right compounds in a high energy environment, the rest just eventually happens more or less on it's own. We already know that amino acids aren't unique to Earth, and amino acids + energy + time is pretty much guaranteed to result in life, every time.

    But, and here's the key, what are the chances of there being intelligent life out there? That one's much trickier.

    Our intelligence arose from a number of influences over billions of years. We are a product of our environment and, yes, to some extent of chance as well. How unique is our situation? Are there other planets with the right mix of elements in the right quantities to promote another species like ours? Are there any within our galactic neighbourhood?

    Our galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars across thousands of light years. As we explore this space we're increasingly learning that planets aren't that uncommon in this mix as well, and we've seen a few now that are within the correct temperature range to support life as we understand it. Personally I don't question the idea that there's some form of life elsewhere in the galaxy, and I'm willing to entertain the prospect that there may be some other intelligence out there as well. Hundreds of billions is a big number, after all, and that's just one galaxy (although if we're to have any hope of discovering, said intelligent life will need to be within our galaxy anyway).

    So let's assume for the sake of argument that intelligent life exists. It's something of a leap of faith, but the sheer numbers certainly leave room for the possibility. If that's the case, we need to consider a few things:

    Is this intelligent life even going to take a form that we'll recognize as such? Consider that even on our own planet, we've only recent become aware that some of our animal friends may be much smarter than we give them credit for. What are the odds that we're going to recognize life on other planets, life that's evolved through a completely different set of evolutionary pressures, as intelligent?

    And if we do, are we going to be able to communicate with them? What if they use pheromones? What if they communicate by modulating the amplitude of gamma rays and just being in the same room with them is toxic to us? What if they don't have eyes and ears? To a creature not from Earth, it may turn out to be truly bizarre that our primary form of communication is through atmospheric vibrations.

    And even if they're out there, and we can figure out a mutual method of communication, what are the chances we'll actually find them before one or the other of us gets wiped out? We've recently (relatively speaking) discovered that we can find planets orbiting other stars by doing the cosmological equivalent of squinting very hard at them, but learning anything meaningful about what's happening on the surface of said planets is still far beyond our reach. Our current method for attempting to find intelligent alien civilizations is to listen for radio broadcasts, but this is problematic -- for one, we can only watch a small fraction of the sky at any given time, and we're also assuming that we're going to be able to identify and pick out any broadcasts sent our way from the background noise. We don't even know how they're encoding their broadcasts -- we assume that they use the same technology as us (not that far-fetched, as the laws of physics are the same all over) but we don't know what their broadcasts are even going to look like. All we can do is hope that we can detect some sort of pattern or regularity to them that makes them stand out -- if it's uniform noise across a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum we may not even recognize it if we do find it.

    And finally, even after all that, there's almost certainly no way we could have a meaningful conversation with them. With current technology, it's going to take a minimum of decades to exchange messages with even our closest stellar neighbours, none of whom have shown any evidence of being capable of supporting life. There are some interesting experiments going on right now that seem to hint at the idea that the speed of light can be circumvented if not broken, but those are decades at least away from producing any meaningful results. In the meantime, even if we can find them, even if we can figure out a way to talk to them, we don't have any practical means of communicating with them. The only way we're going to be able to is if they happen to trip over us, and if their technology is sufficiently advanced (and if they're interested enough in us) that they're able to circumvent these problems. Possible, sure, but I'm not about to place a bet on it.

    Of course, the big caveat in all of this is that it's based on my understanding of our understanding of the way our universe works. You want to know what the big wild card is? There are folks predicting we'll hit the singularity within the next century. If that happens, all bets are off.
     
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  7. Yes mutie - a post from Tom Cruise to explain please.
    I often think what a pity, spending all that money looking for a new habitable planet to annex when we have done such a good job of screwing this one over. Pollution. Isnt that like taking a crap in the living room - you have to live with what you do - or dont. Would this planet be better off without man? To an outside explorer I bet we are not nearly as interesting a nature observation project as Meercat Manor - where at least you feel empathy for Flower and Motzart and the wee gang, going on with their lives. What would a watcher learn about us - other than that we can not be trusted.
     
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  8. lotsofmagnets

    lotsofmagnets Vertical

    it´s more of a question of intelligent life discovering us:

    on top of that all of it´s equipment will cease functioning by 2025-2030 so when it gets anywhere of any importance it will be space junk. in 40000 years earth will be a vastly different place, with or without humans and i suspect it´s futile to speculate what we´ll do as if we hang around for that long.

    as for life discovering us if they have the technology to get here and detect us then we´ll be in no position to dictate the terms of engagement given our current technology so we just better hope that if it happens they´re more curious than territorial
     
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  9. Tophat665

    Tophat665 Slightly Tilted

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    Be nice if we found some terrestrial intelligent lifeforms (present company excluded, of course).
     
  10. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

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    that some of us are violently xenophobic against our own species and yet protest the orchestrated self-destruction
     
  11. Doris

    Doris Getting Tilted

    Fascinating topic, indeed. So far away, they won't find anything while I'm alive. Maybe believing very hard in aliens could take me there after death, instead of heaven or hell. What if birth and death are the ways found to ship us between planets? :cool:

    Nice speech, Martian. Your name implies, you might know more than the rest of us. ;)

    We can't know what kind of life forms we might encounter.

    I just hope our bodies wouldn't end up as living spare (or extra) parts for them or that we wouldn't get eaten... :eek:
     
  12. Or worse, what if we end up in a terrarium on some alien's mantle?
     
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  13. Eddie Getting Tilted

    I don't believe God ever created alien races that inhabit other planets. It just doesn't fit into His purpose. I believe He created all of the living creatures, organisms and beings that inhabit earth and He created the angels. I do however believe that angels, both fallen(demons) and holy, have been to other planets and other places unseen by humans. Angels and demons are spiritual so they don't have the same physical, material requirements for sustaining life. But they can take physical form and effect the physical universe.
     
  14. evaderum

    evaderum Getting Tilted

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    I'm wondering... if aliens exist, and ghosts exist... how about the ghost of an alien
    or what happens if an alien gets bitten by a vampire, or scratched by a werewolf
    assuming, of course, that aliens, ghosts, vampires, and werewolves are all real
     
  15. ngdawg

    ngdawg Getting Tilted

    Eh...they won't find any. We are complete flukes of nature-a collection of molecular happenstance that, unfortunately, is cursed with self-awareness and ego. Rearrange the same molecules and mix in a few more and-tada!-you have a banana tree...
     
  16. Baraka_Guru

    Baraka_Guru Möderätor Staff Member

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    Yes, flukes millions of years in the making.

    Every year, we can observe 300 supernovae, which are important for creating the conditions for life in terms of spreading essential minerals around. Consider that many of Earth's minerals (and water even) come from elsewhere.

    With a universe so huge and with so much change, the chances of there being other intelligent life (no matter how long ago, or no matter how long before it occurs again) may be higher than you think.

    Given the universe's many billions of years and the fact it only took us 150,000 or so years (out of Earth's 4.5+ billion) to evolve to our relative intelligence, it's difficult for me to simply write off the odds of other intelligences out there.
     
  17. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    Reading, UK
    Wap-drive? Would that be craft powered by marinara sauce?

    JK. I find typos endearing.
     
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  18. Speed_Gibson

    Speed_Gibson Hacking the Gibson

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    That is funny, I completely missed that.
     
  19. Joniemack

    Joniemack Beta brainwaves in session

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    According to H. G. Wells - it might be our bacteria. Those annoying little buggers might actually be our lifesavers in such a scenario.

    When I think about the variety of life on earth, adaptable to all different sorts of environments, I can't believe life is not propagating all over the universe. There's species living on sulfur fumes in the deepest parts of the ocean we haven't even discovered yet.

    Of course intelligent life is another matter but we may be wrong in assuming it's a fluke. There's still so much we don't know about genetics and epigenetics especially.
     
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  20. EventHorizon

    EventHorizon assuredly the cause of the angry Economy..

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    ...wat